VP 5.7L Quadrajet to Edelbrock swapover

Indy1K

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I am doing a swap over from the Quadrajet 4bbl to new Edelbrock 1409's, on my twin 1986 AQ260A/AQ290 Volvo Penta's. I had been trying to figure out the linkage connection. I found a drawing in an old thread showing the position of the linkage mounting plate on the new carburetor. It will help immensely. On WOT with the linkage placement, do you get full travel of the 1409 linkage to open the secondaries all the way?
My problem and reason for switching was I couldn't get the engines to go over 3000rpm. I rebuilt the Q jets but I think they are just shot. So full tuneup, all new fuel filters, tank is clean, I am adding fuel pressure gauges to monitor pressure.

Thanks,

Kevin aboard the "Russian Princess" on the Ohio River
 

Scott Danforth

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before you spend money, there are hundreds of reasons your motors wont go over 3000 RPM. most of which are in the DIY stickies at top of the forum.

I have never found a complete carburetor yet that can not be rebuilt, so I highly doubt your carbs are shot.
 

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My problem and reason for switching was I couldn't get the engines to go over 3000rpm

Agree with Scott, It's not the carb, you have something else going on.
 

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Hi folks, Thanks for the input. When we bought the boat, the previous owner complained of the same problem. He said when he got the boat back from the shop the props looked different. He said he didn't remember them being different colors. What was on there was 19 pitch twin, left and right rotation. Correct for the VP Aquamatic AQ260a/290 setup. There is no original configuration information as to what props came on the boat. I did some research and used the prop calculator and the result is either a 19 or a 17 pitch. Since he could not get it up on a plane or get the rpms up to WOT 4200 to 4500, we figured the prop pitch was too high.
I put a set of 17 pitch on it but still have the same issue.
BTW, over the winter, I purchased and rebuilt 2 complete AQ290 outdrives. all new bearings and seals, repainted original. Sent transmissions to Del in California to be rebuilt. Sandblasted the transom plates, pulled and replaced both steering forks and all bushings and seals. replaced U-joints, all new hoses and bellows. remounted the new drives. They work great!.

Then we thought it was the gas being the boat had set for a couple of years, probably with Ethanol'd gas in the tank. I have a 200 gallon aluminum tank in it. It was reading about a 1/4 tank. I removed the fuel level float and inspected the inside of the tank. Clean as a whistle, no sediment, no rust, nothing. We put 100 gallons of fresh 91 octane, ethanol free gas in it and treated it with Stabil 360 Marine. I also blew out the lines into the tank. No clogs. I replaced the fuel filter/water separators with new RACOR 10 micron units with drain bowels. I have already purchased the new Edelbrock 1409 carbs and have one mounted. I will be hooking up the fuel and linkage next week.

After rebuilding the Q-jets and trying to run my starboard engine, it kept stalling. I noticed that when I would hit the throttle, only one primary was aspirating juice. Then when the secondary plates opened, no gas and a bogg. I cant tell you whats up with that, but I have rebuilt many carburetors over the years and the insides of these looked pretty worn out. lots of pitting in the passages. I probably should have replaced the jets and needles while in there, but didnt. I will sell them on Ebay.

So, at the end of the day, this problem has to be either fuel or ignition related since both engines are exhibiting the same problem. Tell me if I am wrong here.

Thanks again for all the help.

Kevin
 

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anywhere from 2000 to 3000 rpm. Sometimes it will run steady and sometimes it is just bouncing up and down.
 

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anywhere from 2000 to 3000 rpm. Sometimes it will run steady and sometimes it is just bouncing up and down.

I would suggest a compression check. With a WOT of no more then 3K there is something major wrong.
 

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did you drain the 1/4 tank of fuel or add to it?

did you check to see if your anti-siphon valve is working?

I also second a compression test, along with a fuel pump pressure test.

Pitting in the bowls (corrosion) is a sign of water in the fuel
 

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Did not drain the fuel, added 100 gallons to it.
Dont know if I have an anti siphon valve. I will check though. I have a open/close petcock on top of the tank. one for each engine fuel line
Compression check on Starboard engine is running between 120 and 140psi cold engine and no oil squirted into cylinders. Manual says(146-152psi)
Fuel pump pressure gauges being added into fuel line.
 

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you cant add good fuel to bad fuel and have good fuel. if the fuel sat for more than a year it would be suspect and I woudnt use it for anything other than burning out fire ant hills. adding 100 gallons of good fuel to bad fuel means you have more than 100 gallons of crap fuel now.

all boats have an anti-siphon valve from the factory
 

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Compression check on Starboard engine is running between 120 and 140psi cold engine

If your gauge was accurate then you have lost 1/3 of your power. Get it warmed up and try again to verify

Make sure throttle is wide open
 

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The Qjet is probably the best engineered carb ever made. If fuel is not flowing in a circuit, there is either a blockage or bad/wrong gaskets, loose or missing fuel tubes. From the description "only one primary was aspirating juice" Do you mean accelerator pump discharge or main booster? The Secondary fuel system feeds from the same bowl as the primaries do. again blockage, bad gasket, loose/missing/damaged tubes.
 

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I agree, the Q-jet is a decent carb. What I saw was the accelerator dispense was only from one side. It's a mote point now. I changed over the carb to the new Edelbrock 1409. Had to mount the linkage from Q-jet. Also had to reverse USCG fuel line from pump and connect to side of new carb.
Engine fired right up. warmed up and idled down around 900rpm. Engine throttled up nicely to 4-5k no problem. But that is with no load. It got late and too dark to work, I know I will need to check timing and advance, and probably adjust low speed jets, but we are winterizing this week so it will wait until spring. Thanks for all the advice.

Kevin
 
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