VRO Help

matty133

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Well I thought my motor was just flooded but now im not sure. Its a 96 evinrude 150. I have been playing with the red nob on the VRO. What is this nob. I thought it was fuel shut off, but not sure now. Didnt seem to let any fuel past when in down position...and let to much in when in up position. What position is normal run?

Here are my symptoms. Starter sounds great. Turns over like emergency kill switch is in the wrong positon...it won't cough or anything...just turns over smoothly. Plugs wet. Seems likes something is wrong with the spark. Had it running real rough this morning due to old fogger fluid in the carbs from winter. It stalled out to never start again. It did run rather rich last season...leaving a good amount of black soot in exhaust outlets.

Heres what im thinking
bad gas.....but I put stabilizer in before winter
flooded......let it sit for hours and blew out the cylinders and got new plugs
Spark....Not sure how to test or where to start.
VRO pump or part....I saw a leak from the VRO when i primed it to much with the little red nob i was talking about before in the down position

Thanks for the help. Just need some direction
 

Big Keepers

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Re: VRO Help

A red knob, is it kind of like a lever? I'm thinking that is the schraeder valve.
 

tashasdaddy

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Re: VRO Help

i'm thinking it's the manual lever on the primer, thus flooding the engine, if you don't know how to check if there is spark to the plug, you have no business messing with the engine.
 

matty133

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Re: VRO Help

Well, let me rephrase...i tried getting the wire to arc to the block but was not succesful....im assuming that is how it is done, but would like to attribute it to my user error rather then a buying a new power pack.
 

Silvertip

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Re: VRO Help

The red lever is not part of the VRO -- it is part of the primer and provides a manual way to prime the engine if the primer solenoid fails. The primer solenoid is activated when you push in on the ke which allows extra fuel directly into the engine for cold starts. With the lever in the wrong position you flood the engine. Replace the plugs and see if it will start. If not, you are in need of a service manual if you intend to fix the engine yourself. There are plenty of articles here on how to make a spark tester. Just use the search function.
 

Joe Reeves

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Re: VRO Help

(Fuel Primer Solenoid Function)
(J. Reeves)

Pumping the fuel primer bulb up hard fills the carburetor float chambers of course, but that process also applies fuel pressure to the primer solenoid.

The two small hoses leading from the primer solenoid branch off via tees to each fuel manifold section that would feed fuel to the individual cylinders.

Pushing the key in activates the primer solenoid to allow fuel to flow thru it to the intake manifold passageways. Cranking the engine over causes the fuel pump to engage which in turn sends fuel pulses to the primer solenoid via the 3/8" fuel hose.

Some engines incorporates the "Fast Start" feature which automatically advances the spark electronically so no advance of the throttle is required for starting.
Engines that do not have the "Fast Start" feature will be required to have the throttle advanced slightly.

Starting procedure: pump fuel bulb up hard, crank engine and push the key in at the same time. When the engine fires/starts, release the key so that it falls back to the run position.

Bottom line..... Look upon the primer solenoid as an electric choke.

(Compression & Spark Test)
(J. Reeves)

1st - Regardless of what problem one might encounter, always start with the basic troubleshooting procedure. Check the compression which should be in the range of 100+ psi (somewhat less on the smaller hp engines) and even on all cylinders.

2nd - With the spark plugs removed, rig up some type of spark tester whereas you can set a gap to be jumped. On magneto ignition systems.... and also the Battery Capacitance Ignition system OMC engines from 1968 to 1972, set the gap to 1/4". On the solid state OMC ignition systems from 1973 to the present, set the gap to 7/16". The spark should jump the gap with a strong blue lightning like flame..... a real strong blue snap!

If there was no spark, on engines from 1973 up, disconnect the RED main electrical plug at the engine. Remove the s/plugs. crank the engine via the starter solenoid (jumper bat term to small 3/8" term nut, not the ground nut) and observe spark. If spark is now okay as stated above, the usual cause is a shorted ignition switch.

If the above checks out as it should, and the engine dies out when throttle is applied or won't idle, it is usually due to one or both of two things. The carburetors are fouled, in which case the cure would be to remove, clean, and rebuild them..... or the timer base under the flywheel is sticking which would result in a retarded spark. If the engine will not fire/start at all even though you have the proper spark and compression, it's usually due to fouled carburetors.

To check the timer base for sticking (Engine Not Running), spin the prop to align the shifter dog with forward gear and while doing so, put the engine into forward gear. Now, while watching the timer base, slowly apply throttle clear up to full throttle. The timer base should move smoothly all the way up against the black rubber cap that is atached to the end of the full advance spark setting screw. If the timer base sticks, find out why and correct that problem.

Usually any sticking of the timer base is caused by one of the four retaining clamps being slightly too tight. Putting a very thin washer under the clamp cures that problem. Some boaters use a thin screwdriver to bend the clamp upwards slightly but I prefer the thin washer. The sticking can also be caused by having a faulty stator start to melt down, resulting in a sticky substance dripping down on the timer base nylon retaining ring.

Spark Tester - Home Made
(J. Reeves)

A spark tester can be made with a piece of 1x4 or 1x6, drive a couple nails through it, then bend the pointed ends at a right angle. You can then adjust the gap by simply twisting the nail(s). Solder a spark plug wire to one which you can connect to the spark plug boots, and a ground wire of some kind to the other to connect to the powerhead somewhere.

Using the above, one could easily build a spark tester whereas they could connect 2, 4, 6, or 8 cylinders all at one time. The ground nail being straight up, the others being bent, aimed at the ground nail. A typical 4 cylinder tester follows:


..........X1..........X2

.................X..(grd)

..........X3..........X4


http://stores.ebay.com/Evinrude-Johnson-Outboard-Parts-etc?refid=store

Let us know what you find.
 

matty133

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Re: VRO Help

Oh thank you..now I am headed on the right track. I appreciate your helpfulness. Perhaps she was still flooded since i was playing with the primer nob. Maybe she will fire up in the morning. My day is dedicated to getting this motor going.

I do have a clymer manual...but it is rather generic since it covers many years and makes...id love to get my hand on the oem manual.
Thanks again!
 

matty133

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Re: VRO Help

OK narrowed it down to a no spark problem.

Though it could be one of the safety switches had gone bad so i disconnected the wire that grounds out the circuit due to a safety switch like the manual said to do.

Now Im trying to figure out if its power pack related or coil. Any help would greatly be appreciated. case of beer or two.. thanks!
 

Dhadley

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Re: VRO Help

A couple of things -- if you still don't have spark go back and read Joe's instructions. Forget the Clymer, stick with Joe. You have to disconnect the boat wiring from the motor wiring. Joe mentions a red cannon plug -- a 96 doesn't have that but it has other smaller connections. Just be aware this is for checking spark only, not starting the motor. If it starts, you'll have no way to shut it off other than trying to flood it.

Last -- a 96 does not have a VRO, it has an OMS (Oil Metering System) pump. Calling it a VRO will confuse a parts guy if you ever need parts. It pumps a pretty constant 50:1 ratio - it's not variable and it has the good warning systems.
 
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