VRO tank kit

[ob15]

Does anyone know or can determine if this VRO tank kit will fit my motor <br />1989 Johnson 50, Model No. J50TLCEC <br /><br />I found it on ebay and the price is right. May hook the VRO back up on my motor<br /><br />Text from Ebay item<br />Auction is for a New Johnson, Evinrude Syestem Check VRO Oil Tank Kit. P/N 176995.<br />Oil tank kit comes complete with mounting hardware and 10ft supply hose and primer assembly. 1.8 Gal. Tank Measures 10" L x 7" W x 9" H. Installation instruction included.<br /><br />Works with 1996 and newer carbureted engines. With VRO Pumps.<br /><br />Return fitting is sealed with a cap and it can be used on direct injection engines if return hose is added. <br /><br />Thanks

 

[rodbolt]

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it wont work coirrectly. the low oil alarm circuits in the tank wont work with the 1989 alarm cicuit voltage. system check is a 5 volt system and pre 95 non system check stuff is 12v.<br /> all will work but dont hook up the low oil alarms.if I were you and the vro has run disconnected for sometime I would add a pump as well.

 

[Dhadley]

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Any E/J (OMC) resivour tank will work. Its mounted in the boat, not on the motor.<br /><br />He says the tank is for 96 and newer because of the wiring. It can be adapted. 1996 motors did not have VRO systems, they used straight oil injection.

 

[OBJ]

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Dave....the only thing I think ya' gotta do is change the deutch connector to an amphenol connector on the tank lead. Other than that, should work.

 

[ob15]

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Thanks alot guys. May just bid on it if the price stays where it is.

 

[rodbolt]

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look at the tag on the tan/blk wire. if it says do not attach to 12v positive dont do it. the oil pickup parts will all work. the low oil alarm may or may not. in my opinion the low oil warning is mostly usless on small boats. just top off the oil before each trip. in 96 we found that the system check tank alarms dont work with the 94 and earlier engine/wiring harness.

 

[Marc J.]

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Hey Dave, I just removed the oil tank from my "new" boat yesterday. It is also a 89 model. It was easier for me to remove the VRO than to trust it. I keep premix on hand anyway for my other boat. You can have it for the price of shipping. My e-mail is on my profile.

 

[ob15]

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Thanks 73Baja, thant certainly is a better deal than the the ebay one. I'll get in touch with you.

 

[reeldutch]

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i got 2 tanks and one vro pump from a 1990 v4<br />let me know if you are intrested if things dont work out with baja.<br /> http://groups.msn.com/outboardpictures/shoebox.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=6 <br /><br />check it out

 

[ob15]

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Thanks reeldutch, I will certainly do that.

 

[reeldutch]

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i will tel you that you should service the system before installing.<br /><br />and after installing use premix 50:1 and check if you are indeed running the vro oil tank.<br />if the oil level gets less you will be fine.<br /><br />then if you are shore everything works stop premixing.<br /><br />i always use premix the oil i use is yamalube 2m<br />and i decarb every season. so if i have a oiling problem i only have myself to blame.<br />i installed regular fuel pump<br /> http://groups.msn.com/outboardpictures/shoebox.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=7 <br />but the vro system made me nerves thats why i took it off.<br /><br />reeldutch

 

[ob]

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Originally posted by Dhadley:<br />1996 motors did not have VRO systems, they used straight oil injection.

Can you elaborate on that?I don't think I understand.

 

[Mark42]

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it wont work coirrectly. the low oil alarm circuits in the tank wont work with the 1989 alarm cicuit voltage. system check is a 5 volt system and pre 95 non system check stuff is 12v.<br />

I have the late model tank with the square two pin connector hooked up to a 93 Rude. The alarm works just fine. All I had to do was remove the square female connector off the tank wire and put two push/snap connectors on it to connect to the engine wire harness. As far as I can tell, there is nothing in that tank that is voltage sensitive. The device inside is just a float switch. When the float drops to a low level, it makes contact across the brown and black wires. <br /><br />Mark

 

[ob15]

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Thanks reeldutch, I had intended to do all you mentioned. It's nice to know the new tanks work too. Mark42, you boat looks great! I love tht style.

 

[rodbolt]

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mark42<br /> the tank sensor contains the circuits for the alarm sequence. the low oil is a 1/2 sec tone every 30 seconds or so depending on year. all I can go by is what we saw and what OMC told us and the tag on the unit. system check uses 5 volts for the alarm circuits and pre system check uses 12volts.<br /> ob <br /> sometime in the late 90's the change was from a true Variable Ratio Oiling system to an OMS, Oil Metering System whis is not really variable. it will change some but not like the original VRO.

 

[ob]

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10-4 Rodbolt.I wasn't sure what Dhadley meant.That makes sense now.

 

[seahorse5]

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Listen to Rodbolt, he is correct about the electrical differences in the tank. The newer tank, '96 and later, uses an on-off float switch to indicate a low oil level. The electronics inside the 1996 and later System Check gauge sense the low oil signal and illuminate the appropriate warning lite and sound the horn 10 seconds. IF you use the newer tank on an older motor, when the oil gets low, you will have a constant loud horn that will not turn off until the oil is refilled. It is a pain in the a$$ and very distracting with no way to turn the noise off if you don't have any oil handy. Otherwise you would have to stop the motor, remove the motor cover, find the oil tank plug-in and disconnect it.<br /><br />If you just want to use the tank and not hook up the low-oil warning system, it will work fine.<br /><br />To learn more about the VRO and how to service it, go to:<br /><br /> http://continuouswave.com/whaler/reference/VRO.html

 

[ob15]

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seahorse, thanks for the link to that article. I may just check my pump & if it't the old one may order the updated one.

 

[Mark42]

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Seahorse,<br /><br />Printed that article! Thanks! <br />Seahorse wrote:<br />

IF you use the newer tank on an older motor, when the oil gets low, you will have a constant loud horn that will not turn off until the oil is refilled

Yep, that is what happens. Although I have never let the tank get that low, I did test it before filling the tank the first time. <br /><br />With this setup, the over heat alarm is the same as low oil: a steady horn. But a quick glance at the temperature guage and oil tank will tell me what is going on.<br /><br />I read the article with great interest, especially the part about the no-oil alarm circuit. If I understand the article, my '93 40hp should sound a "rapid on-off" alarm even though I have a '96 or later oil tank, because the no-oil alarm is a function of the VRO pump and is not related to the oil tank. Correct?<br /><br />Thank you all,<br /><br />Mark.

 

[ob15]

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Seahorse, That's my take on it (but could be wrong). The only alarm from the tank would be low/empty.