Want a MAC but need XP for special software?? Here you go.

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FAQ: Windows on Macs<br />By Joris Evers <br />Staff Writer, CNET News.com<br />Published: April 5, 2006, 1:47 PM PDT<br />TalkBackE-mailPrint<br />No, it's not an April Fools' joke.<br /><br />Apple Computer on Wednesday released Boot Camp software that lets Mac users install Windows XP on their systems. But there are some strings attached, and the company has warned that running Microsoft's operating system on a Mac opens the computer up to the same attacks faced by traditional Windows PCs.<br /><br />Some Mac users have shown interest in running Windows on Apple's "superior hardware," now that we use Intel processors, Philip Schiller, Apple's senior vice president of worldwide product marketing, said in a statement Wednesday. "We think Boot Camp makes the Mac even more appealing to Windows users considering making the switch," he added.<br /><br />The software will be included in the upcoming Mac OS X 10.5, known as "Leopard." It can also be downloaded separately here. Apple will also discuss Boot Camp in August at its Worldwide Developers Conference, the company said.<br /><br />Windows on a Mac--what's that all about?<br />Using Apple's new "Boot Camp" software, you can now install Windows XP alongside the Apple Mac OS X operating system.<br /><br />How does that work? <br />Boot Camp creates a separate place on the hard drive, called a partition, for the Windows installation. This is done without moving any of the Mac files. Boot Camp also burns a CD with Windows drivers so the Microsoft operating system can work with the Apple hardware.<br /><br />How does it run? <br />After installing Windows XP on the Mac, you can use the "Startup Disk" control panel in Windows or Mac OS X to set which operating system the computer should run when it boots up.<br /><br />Alternately, holding down the "option" key at startup will display a menu that lets you pick an operating system.<br /><br />Is this the same as a virtual machine? <br />No, Boot Camp allows you to run Windows XP natively. That means it runs on the Mac just as it would run on a computer from any other PC maker, such as Dell or Gateway.<br /><br />What do I need? <br />In short, you need the latest of everything. You can only run Windows on the newest Intel-based Macs with the most recent firmware, or lower-level software, installed. It must also be loaded with Mac OS X 10.4.6, released earlier this week.<br /><br />Your Mac will need a built-in keyboard or a USB keyboard, as well as a built-in track pad or USB mouse. It requires 10 gigabytes of free space on your main hard-disk drive. You also have to own or buy a CD with a full version of Windows XP Home Edition or Professional with Service Pack 2--that's the latest version of Windows.<br /><br />What versions of Windows can I run on my Mac? <br />Windows XP with Service Pack 2. It is not possible to install an earlier version of Windows and upgrade it to XP, nor load an earlier version of XP and update it with SP2. You also cannot use Windows XP Media Center Edition.<br /><br />In addition, it has to be the full version of Windows XP with SP2, not a cheaper upgrade. Amazon.com sells full XP Home Edition for $194.99, and Professional is listed at $284.99.<br /><br />Will the upcoming Windows Vista work on my Mac? <br />Apple is sending mixed messages about that, and it declined to provide a yes or no answer on Wednesday.<br /><br />Before Apple went public about Boot Camp, one of its developers said at an Intel conference that Macs probably wouldn't be able to run Vista. The obstacle, he said, was the different ways the two operating systems have of booting up.<br /><br />But in its online documentation for Boot Camp, Apple hints that Vista will be supported: "Macs use an ultra-modern industry standard technology called EFI (Extensible Firmware Interface) to handle booting. Sadly, Windows XP, and even the upcoming Vista, are stuck in the 1980s with old-fashioned BIOS. But with Boot Camp, the Mac can operate smoothly in both centuries."<br /><br />Will Apple provide a copy of Windows XP? <br />No. Apple does not sell Windows, and Boot Camp does not include XP.
 

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Re: Want a MAC but need XP for special software?? Here you go.

Steve Jobs business philosophy seems to have changed from striving to be inovative and giving his customers the best quality products and services, perhaps i'm dead wrong, at the very least i do hope that i am.
 

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He is giving them the best, and allowing them to use inferior products as well. :) <br /><br />Apple does not sell or support Windows.<br />They are just giving away the software that allows you to run dual operating systems on a Mac.<br /><br />I think its an ingenious way to get more Apple customers.
 

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Re: Want a MAC but need XP for special software?? Here you go.

Been thinking about getting a Mac, I think I will let this cook down a little now. Don’t want to be the first guinea pig.
 

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Thunking is normally at the sacrifice of speed.Other companies have tried it with little success. I'd be surprised if Boot Camp is. If you want to use XP, get an XP machine, not a force-fit on an over-priced machine. There may be legit uses, but few.
 

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This is a no-brainer for Apple. Most of the graphic design industry relies heavily on Macs, has for decades. The music and video industry has fallen in love with them in the last few years. We're now fiiiiiinally seeing more little Apple logos on new "only before available on PC" applications.<br /><br />Now not only can you have the muscle to handle multi-gig photoshop files in a print vendor friendly machine that a well-trained cat can operate, it's also compatable with every other application offered for it's competition. Not to mention it'll finally talk to those snobby PC servers.<br /><br />The line between PCs and Macs is getting thin. Someday, there'll only be one. This is just the next step in that direction.<br /><br />spots
 

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Some performance benchmark tests here:<br /><br />reviews.cnet.com/Apple_Boot_Camp_beta/4505-3672_7-31826794-2.html?tag=nav<br /><br />Looks like it performs quite well to me.<br />In real world normal peoples useage, I don't think you would notice a difference.<br />I'm sure it would outperform most 1 year old machines out there.<br /><br />And not everyone can afford 2 computers.<br /><br />Don't know if thunking is involved here, and don't care to know, just want to be able to run my GPS mapping software without having to buy a pc to do it.
 

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This is not a new idea. Real PC has been around for years.
 

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But this is not emulation.<br /><br />You are actually installing dual OS on your harddrive, booting up in XP, and running pc software from WIN XP.
 

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Re: Want a MAC but need XP for special software?? Here you go.

The bottom line is... Will this benefit any users? YES<br /><br />Will it benefit Apple's bottom line? YES
 

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Roscoe, I concure. I am an Apple fanatic. However, Boot Camp is useless for me since I don't run any "WindSlow" program.
 

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Originally posted by roscoe:<br /> The bottom line is... Will this benefit any users? YES<br /><br />Will it benefit Apple's bottom line? YES
GQ<br />
Roscoe, I concure. I am an Apple fanatic. However, Boot Camp is useless for me since I don't run any "WindSlow" program.
LOL as I haven't heard it put that way before.<br />During Christmas my BIL brought his Crappel ;) notebook down as he was in the middle of a bid on ebay. When it was over we played around on it.<br />First time for me with a Apple.<br />Years ahead of pc machines. Fast and sweet. <br /><br />roscoe<br />I agree with you that it is a good step for them to make. I know I'm going to take a look at them when upgrading my notebook.<br />Price will most likely keep me away though.
 
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Re: Want a MAC but need XP for special software?? Here you go.

Originally posted by roscoe:<br />...<br /><br />I think its an ingenious way to get more Apple customers.
No, it is an ingenuous way of getting ... :eek: <br />Hey little kid, want to get high, its free...
 

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????
 

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Re: Want a MAC but need XP for special software?? Here you go.

Becareful there, this is a "No Spin Zone". Just stating the fact for my fellow Iboaters to see.
 
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