War with lower unit

Yesterday

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Are these drive shafts worth having turned on a lathe?
 

mercurymang

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I don't think there would be any benefit to turning them.
 

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An amazing amount of corrosion! You're definitely gonna need to get all the loose scale/corrosion off the driveshaft, or you'll never get a new impeller on the shaft. A carbide scraper will work, for the tough stuff you could use a file. Be careful using power tools such as a grinder, you don't want to remove any good metal that's left!

Far as the stainless O-ring carrier goes, all you did was pull it out of the end of the crankshaft, if it'll tap back in there and stay tight, it should be OK. It doesn't look to be deformed. Be sure to replace the O-ring inside. I'd spread a thin coating of Permatex No. 3 Aviation-type gasket dressing or Loctite (Blue or Red) on the carrier where it engages the crank.

Be sure to clean up the end of the crankshaft as well and inspect crank splines. It's just incredible the driveshaft splines weren't all rotted away, guess the updated design of that carrier/O-ring did its job!

You going to get the upper shift rod removed from the lower unit's shift before you reassemble? It'll make it so much easier the next time you drop the lower unit for an impeller renew. Careful application of heat should release the aluminum coupler from the shift shaft.

You'll probably want to split the black plastic reverse lockout guide and get it outa there, otherwise it'll catch fire and make a bunch of nasty fumes (been there, done that!).

Come to think of it, since you're putting power tilt/trim on the motor, you won't need the lockout rod, plastic guide, or shift cam installed. The PT&T cylinders lock down the motor effectively when reversing, so all that stuff is extra parts.

Once you have the plastic out of the way, it'll be easy to heat up the shift coupler and separate it from the shift shaft. Clean up the shift shaft splines so they'll smoothly engage the coupler. You may have to scrape out the internal splines in the coupler as well.

As I recall, the shift shaft is in pretty bad shape and may need replaced. You'll be able to get a better look at everything once all the pieces are separated. There's a special Merc tool for the shift shaft bushing (which holds the oil seal), but if you grind a couple of "tangs" into a deep socket, it'll work as well. Here's a link for the tool, so you know what it looks like:

Mercury 91 31107T Shift Shaft Bushing Removal Tool | eBay

You'll probably need some heat around the gearcase to get the shift shaft bushing to break free. Standard right-hand threads on this.

Gotta luv those Salty Dogs, eh?

(Note: I started writing this before you posted the new pics. Like the O.P. said, no point turning on a lathe, for the driveshaft you've just got to be able to get a new impeller down the shaft. Thank Goodness the pump area is stainless! Be sure the stainless O-ring carrier slides on the shaft easily in the area of the shaft where the O-ring will ride when it's all back together. Fortunately it's just an 85hp, so it's not gonna twist that rusted shaft in two. If this was a 150hp, I definitely wouldn't use that lower unit!).

HTH & Have Fun with the Prep and Reassembly!...........ed
 

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Thanks for the added info!!! My thoughts with respect to turning it were for balance concerns. not a big issue?!
 

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Update:
Spanner nut is out! Tomorrow I will make a puller and do the carrier!!
 

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Cool and good luck. Just curious. What did someone have to do to get it that corroded. Did it spend alot of time in the salt?
 

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Hi, back from fishing, wishing for an anchor winch.
To remove the carrier and save a puller from being defaced this is what i did after it was suggested to me by oldman on here-

I got a block of wood, cut a hole in the middle. put the propshaft through it. Then i put the prop back on, chocked it and then used the prop nut to tighten the prop down on to the wood which lead (after some heat and slow gentle pressure) to a crack sound which was the bearing carrier coming loose. (A great sight to see on my 43 year old salty)
Keep an eye out for the locating key in the bearing carrier, its at the stern end and its a nice small size to make it easily overlooked if you arent aware of it.
 

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Cool and good luck. Just curious. What did someone have to do to get it that corroded. Did it spend alot of time in the salt?

It's funny you ask that too. I was also trying to understand that and especially so given the worst pitting is up high at the crank, as opposed to being lower where the water would be more prevalent. My theory is that since it's passing through the exhaust extension plate, exhaust heat was the biggest contributor. Alternate theories are more than welcome!! Actually I'd like to know why any water would get at that shaft at all, and if a bead of silicone between the LU and leg would help prevent it. I assume there's a reason no gasket/seal is there in the first place, though a rubber seal would have probably been a huge help. Alas these are questions for an engineer I guess.
 

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Hi, back from fishing, wishing for an anchor winch.
To remove the carrier and save a puller from being defaced this is what i did after it was suggested to me by oldman on here-

I got a block of wood, cut a hole in the middle. put the propshaft through it. Then i put the prop back on, chocked it and then used the prop nut to tighten the prop down on to the wood which lead (after some heat and slow gentle pressure) to a crack sound which was the bearing carrier coming loose. (A great sight to see on my 43 year old salty)
Keep an eye out for the locating key in the bearing carrier, its at the stern end and its a nice small size to make it easily overlooked if you arent aware of it.

Very interesting! I was thinking bout using wood but then thought it would only allow me to pull the carrier to the point if the end of the threads. Being tired last night, the thought that that's really all you need, hadn't occurred to me! So a simple, down and dirty puller... I'm a rather big fan of keeping things simple, so that my good sir, is my solution! Many thanks to both you and Oldman for this one!

I spotted the keyway last night while I was working to get some of the yellowish gunk out of the lip right at the very bottom of the spanner nut threads/carrier. Wondering what that could have been?!
 

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And like the first comment says... Shackle spread - end of that idea. I heated this sucker as much as a propane torch can such that steam was comming out of the boiling penetrating oils etc inside and neither the chain puller nor the prop suspended on wood/steel work. I had so much torque on the prop nut it began to balloon at the bottom and I was starting to bend the power bar I was using. The bearing carrier sits right where it started. I think it's laughing defiantly at me!! :facepalm:
 

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It looks like the video one wasnt a salty and had probably being rehearsed!
Im imagining the power bar you used isnt high tensile?
Did you heat it at the two places where the bearing carrier contacts the housing?
 

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I think it's laughing defiantly at me!! :facepalm:

Heating up the LU where the bearing carrier contacts and tapping around it with a rubber mallet (while it was sitting under pressure from the prop nut&wood) is what worked for me and shut up my bearing carrier
 

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Never mind.. I'm a dumbass. The missus looked inside and announced "it moved!" I'm thinking.. "wait! wut?" so I look in and sure enough! Seems I was busy trying to drive my prop nut beyond the threads of the shaft.:facepalm: Carrier silenced!:mad-new:
So to give credit where it's due, the chains/shackles thing was in fact not what eventually worked because I watched the shackles spread with my own eyes. The prop on the other hand worked like a top! And yes I actually heated both contact surfaces though concentrated more so down on the lower one with the rubber O-ring. Judging from the looks of things inside, that was the worse of the lot. At any rate she's apart and in one piece. The gears look good, dogs seem fine and the pinion gear is A-1 as well. The only thing that seems out of place is the shifter. Rotation the shifter shaft a little bit either direction seems to do nothing. I haven't yet checked out the diagrams to understand how it works but I have a gut feeling the inner surgery will be necessary. That's next on the list.

Once again, you all rock!!!
 

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Well done and thats a good assistant you have there too.
No wonder it was starting to balloon, im not surprised you stopped!
The shifter is this cam that turns on the end of the shiftshaft you should be able to see it by looking down through the LU. It pushes on the follower cam, the metal pole thing that slides into the fore end of the bearing carrier
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I'm not so convinced of just HOW good of an assistant she is yet. She seems terrible disappointed we didnt get to use the 4X4 to pull this baby apart! LOL :laugh:
Ahh I see now why I didn't spot that one. It was kicking around in the bottom of the bullet. not surprisingly so given how for out the shifter shaft had been pulled. My heart sank when I noticed that thinking the pinion would have to come out but the gears all came out with ease. I am surprised that there's nothing behind it nor anything holding it to the bottom of the shifter shaft? back to the exploded view!
LOL dude! You just have one of those kicking around??

Meanwhile here's what I'm looking at: You reckon I'm due for a new cam? *chuckles*
 

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Im disappointed you didnt try it too. I think a few of the dealers around here would of, so shes at least at their level.
Off fishing again, snapper are in close.
The cam fits on pretty tight and cant really go up or down that far, theres an e-clip 53-29641 that is probably floating around in there too so best check out for that, its meant to stop the shiftshaft being pulled out so the cam stays in place. The eclip clips onto the shiftshaft just under the bushing.

I was really cheap and replaced mine with a cable tie and thats the motor which im taking out again today
 

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Guess I will be too with a magnet.. fishing for a clip! :)

Enjoy the fishing mate.
 

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Update:
I got the shift shaft separated and it cleaned up pretty well except for the splines on what seems to be the smaller stainless(?) section. How can I protect what's left of these? what's the best anti-seize application for us on this coupler?
 
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