water in boat

Captcheetah

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Last time the boat was in the water was Sept 1. It has a screw in plug, which I tend to always reinstall after draining after use. Anyway I covered and sit it beside the house. Opening the engine cover yesterday I noticed water under the motor. Pulled the plug, water ran out for a good 6-7 minutes. I guess my cover is not nearly as water tight as I thought. I got in and felt the bottom of the ski locker, it was wet. Should I be concerned with potential water damage to the boat with the water staying in there or accumulating for over two months? The water was almost black. The boat is a 1988 '21 foot Renken open bow. Thanks
 

Knightgang

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Re: water in boat

First off, never store your boat with the plug in it. It should always be out to allow any water that "may" get in the boat to drain out. I have a cover over by boat, yet I leave the plugs in the dry storage compartment anytime it is not in the water.<br /><br />As for the floor, I would leave it uncovered for a few days when you know it is not going to rain so that it can dry out pretty well. Then see if there are any soft spots. If the water got under the floor to do damage, it may not appear for some time. May just have to wait and see, unless someone here has any other suggestions.<br /><br />Knightgang
 

kdmiller8251

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If I were you I would be a little bit worried. Its not like it is going to warm up anythime soon. Which means it wont dry for months. I would try to get boat in warm inside for a while and see if you can dry it out..<br /><br />Like Knight said NEVER store your boat with the plug in.. the reason... Well I think you know now...<br /><br />T
 

rivercat49

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It is also a good idea to keep the bow elevated higher than the stern to insure any water that does get in will drain out. good luck hope you haven't sustained much damage :cool: :rolleyes:
 

rivercat49

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It is also a good idea to keep the bow elevated higher than the stern to insure any water that does get in will drain out. good luck hope you haven't sustained much damage :cool: :rolleyes:
 

Captcheetah

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Re: water in boat

My other boat had the non-threaded plug, and I had some side storage on the boat along the walls, so I would always pull the plug and and throw it in there. With this one I don't have the side storage as I am afraid of losing it (with my other boat I kept several spares in the boat) and with the thread, it is not nearly as easy a task to take on and off. Anyway my point is I normally take the plug out as soon as come out of the water, but with this one I wait til I get home.<br /><br />I am going to winterize in the morning so I may sit the leaf blower down in the ski locker for an hour so, to circulate some air through it, plus I am going to take it to storage Sunday, which is an hour away, so I will leave the cover off for the drive. <br /><br />Of course I wanted someone to say, "heck no don't worry about it, I kept my boat in the water every summer all summer and would only drain the water out once a year and the flooring lasted 20 years".
 

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Re: water in boat

You might want to try and identify what the black in the black water was (is). Is it oil, dirt, mold? <br /><br />Mold would be bad. If I had a garage or a friend with a garage I would follow Tallmans advise and do my best to dry it out and then inspect it. If you do have damage to be fixed, its winter and you won't have to waste valuable summer time.....<br /><br />About the plug, enough said. Oh yea, if you have to do some work there are alot of guys here with great ideas in insights.<br /><br />Good Luck!
 

Captcheetah

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Re: water in boat

When I first saw it, I thought that the block had cracked and it was oil. But as it drained, I caught some in a glass, stained water, beside oil and water will not mix. <br /><br />Before I bought it the boat had sit for about 5 or 6 years. The guy I bought it from got it first and fixed everything that generally needs to be done when one sits (i.e. carb, trailer, etc.) I talked with the original owner and from what he said and the looks of the boat it doesn't have 100 hrs on it. It was kept inside for much of the time in dry storage, and outside for about a year, so mold is a possiblity. What do I need to do if it is mold?
 

Captcheetah

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I sat a small oil heater down in the ski locker to dry it up. After an overnight sit, the locker appears dry. There are several small black slivers of something residing on the floor of the locker. It looks like wood or a honeycomb. It kinda reminds me of the honeycomb inside a catalytic converter on a car's exhaust. When you crush it, it looks more fiberous. Is this rotted wood or some kind floatation foam? I am pretty sure this is what has caused the water to blacken. I have let the water I caught in the glass sit for five days now and it is still very black, no settling of sediment.
 

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Hey cheetah,<br /><br />It is hard to answer that one. Some mfg.'s used a honeycomb design in their fiberglass layup. but I thought it was usually encapsulated. The areas of concern are the stringers, transom, and the floor. Areas that use wood as a load carrying member. Fiberglass can hold mold and create a smell but in terms of actual damage to a ski well probably not that big a deal, more of an inconvenience. (worse case delaminating and cracking due to freezing.) Check and see if there is any carpeting in/under the ski well, under the seats in the bow section and evaluate its condition by lifting it up.<br /><br />I am not sure but I think mold requires O2 and therefor would settle out in a jar. Same with oil.. It has been plenty warm the past couple of days here in gods country, so you should have been able to dry out most of the bilge. Check anything that might hold water and if it is acting like a sponge consider replacing it. Make sure you keep the bow higher than the stern and not just remove the plug. <br /><br />The only thing that I can imagine that would color water black is maybe something coming off of carpeting, dirt, mold, etc. There are several liquid bilge cleaners you can use easily. Bleach kills mold but I would flush it out completely if you use it. <br /><br />It is my opinion that you are not looking at a disaster based on what you did but if there is to be a major problem it would rest on the 5-6 years of inactivity and how it was stored. (Rat shi* or other animal related debris) Check or have someone who knows, take a look at the stringers, transom and floor. By the way were exactly did the water leak through your tarp?<br /><br />Best of luck, Doug
 

RatFish

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I hate to say this but I have seen water heavily discolored from decaying organic matter including (rotting) wood. Gulp!
 

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Believe it or not but automotive antifreeze will kill the fungus that causes mold which results in rot. You might put some in a spray bottle and liberally spray any area that you can get to as a precaution.
 

MichaelMullis

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I hate to add more to your concern but I had the same thing happen to me. Water was under my seats and I had stuff growing up out of the wood in the floor. Looked exactly like what you described.I dried the floor out but area developed soft spot later.Good luck
 

Rhadley

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I bought a boat that had set out all summer uncovered. I inspected it twice over about a 6 week period without finding any softness. Then right after I bought it I started seeing more and more soft spots. It took awhile for the rot to develop and spread. And it was mostly around the ski well. After pulling off the floor around the well, I found a sloppy repair job that allowed water to seep into the lower areas and rot upwards. Floor is otherwise perfect. <br /><br />Can you pull off the well carpet and see underneath? Press a screwdriver into the sides to see if any are soft. <br />Time will tell. I don't see how you can dry it if it is all closed up. You could drill exploratory holes to look for rotten wood, but be very careful not to go into the hull. If you hit good wood, fill hole with epoxy. Maybe the black is carpet gunk.
 

Captcheetah

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Re: water in boat

Thanks for all the input. It hit the mid 70's here last Thursday-Sat, so I kept it uncovered. When I pulled up the carpet in the ski locker it is all glass, the only exposed wood is on the sides, right under the floor and it looked and felt dry with no discoloration at all (looked new). The exposed wood, what looked like a 2x4 (on its side) was about half glassed over. In others words of the wood I could see there was only about 2" of it exposed right next to the floor. Right after I discovered the water, I got in a felt around in the locker and only the bottom was damp, the sides appeared dry. So I am very hopeful that the water never reached any exposed wood.<br /><br />The musty smell is gone from the boat. As far as the water getting in, it has to be coming through the cover. I pull the cover pretty tight and by watching it water channels off of it. The bad part is that after the three days of 70's, it rained last night and is 33 degrees here now. <br /><br />Worst yet, I still have not winterized. I have spent the last two Saturday's trying to find a pump that will actually extract oil from the engine, one hand pump and one drill driven. Looks like another night for the oil heater. As much as I hate to, it looks like I will have to pay someone to winterize.<br /><br />Thanks again.
 

Rhadley

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Re: water in boat

If you want to drain the oil out the engine drain plug instead of using the drill pump, run a plastic tube thru the boat drain hole up to the drain plug area. Attach the tube to a funnel and slowly unscrew the drain plug until oil is running into the funnel. Control the flow so the funnel doesn't overflow. (Of course, catch the oil into a suitable container.) Worked great for me. I like the idea of getting the bottom open to release any crud down there.
 

Captcheetah

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Even after I suck the oil out the tube I will usually pull the oil plug to let any residual drain out. I was surprised last year with my old boat that not a drop came out. I will often pour additional oil in while the plug is out just to try and flush a little. If I can have a little more assurance for $1.50, why not. I had thoughts about installing one of the pet-**** style drain plugs that I can install the tube and drain. Thanks for the reminder, as I may just go that route, as I am at the point that I am willing to pay the $50-75 for a higher end vacuum device to remove it (i.e. top-sider).
 
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