Water pressure or water temp ?

Billfo

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Is either "pressure or temp" worth watching enough to install a gauge or just rely on the idiot lights & warning buzzer.. Whats your opinion...
 

achris

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Re: Water pressure or water temp ?

Is either "pressure or temp" worth watching enough to install a gauge or just rely on the idiot lights & warning buzzer.. Whats your opinion...

For outboards a pressure gauge is worth it's weight in gold... Temp gauges are all but useless.
 

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Re: Water pressure or water temp ?

How and where can a pressure gauge be installed on an outboard motor. Can they be installed on nearly any motor or just newer ones which have been outfitted for this guage as required?
Thanks
Ron
 

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Re: Water pressure or water temp ?

Temp gauges are hardly "useless". Like any guage however, they need to be looked at to see what's going on. You already have an audible alarm that comes on at a pre-determined point which is pretty close to the point where the engine gives up. So why not install a temp gauge so you can actually see the temp rise or any reading that is abnormal. A water pressure gauge can be installed on most engines. The degree of difficulty varies but most operate very nicely via a simple "Tee" fitting in the telltale hose. The difference between water pressure gauge and a temp gauge is that the pressure gauge indicates the water pump is working, not working, or working but not up to par. Just because it is working does not mean you won't have an overheat condition. A stuck bypass valve, a stuck thermostat, a head gasket issue, ignition timing issue can all cause overheat. An overheat obviously will occur if the water pump is not working. As for useless gauges, try a trim gauge when you can turn your head and look at the engine. If you can't see it, THEN it becomes a usefull gauge.

Here is how a pressure gauge is fitted on a late model triple or four cylinder Merc.

75c56ac4.jpg


Here is a water temp sender installation on the same series engine.

8b915656.jpg


And if you don't have an unused port into the water jacket of the engine for a threaded sender, you can use this type that mounts under a head bolt.

HeadTempSender60-220Degrees.jpg
 

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Re: Water pressure or water temp ?

I second the vote for both gauges. Have both on my older Merc, and even though it runs really cold I like to KNOW what temperature its running at.

As Silvertip pointed out, there could be other causes of overheating other than a failing waterpump.
 

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I'm with Silvertip. I also know where aChris is comming from.

About a month or so ago I was up at the lake and got into a bunch of Mill scrap. Something went through the waterpump and spun the cup. My V-6 still read 12lbs at cruise and 2-3 lbs at idle but volume was way down and my head temp on #2 went up to 175 comming in from the no-wake bouys. If I had relied soley on the water pressure gauge I would never had seen that and that possibly could have lead to damage further down the lake someday.

As it was, I knew instantly there was a problem and fixed it. So I'm sold on running both gauges if you have the dash room for it. If not then run the water pressure gauge at least.
 

Billfo

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Re: Water pressure or water temp ?

Just as I suspected. Both, but primarily pressure.. Im not sure where or how to install this thing, but I will put it on my list to do this season.

My assumption is the T-fitting, some type of sensor, wiring to the dash, add 12V & gnd & that should be it..

Thanks.
 

achris

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Re: Water pressure or water temp ?

... Im not sure where or how to install this thing...

Instructions in the box.

Billfo said:
My assumption is the T-fitting, some type of sensor, wiring to the dash, add 12V & gnd & that should be it..

Thanks.

No sensor, just a capillary tube that runs from the top of the engine block to the back of the gauge. 12V only needed for the light....

Chris......
 

Billfo

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Re: Water pressure or water temp ?

Thanks !!


Instructions in the box.



No sensor, just a capillary tube that runs from the top of the engine block to the back of the gauge. 12V only needed for the light....

Chris......
 

bob johnson

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Temp gauges are hardly "useless". Like any guage however, they need to be looked at to see what's going on. You already have an audible alarm that comes on at a pre-determined point which is pretty close to the point where the engine gives up. So why not install a temp gauge so you can actually see the temp rise or any reading that is abnormal. A water pressure gauge can be installed on most engines. The degree of difficulty varies but most operate very nicely via a simple "Tee" fitting in the telltale hose. The difference between water pressure gauge and a temp gauge is that the pressure gauge indicates the water pump is working, not working, or working but not up to par. Just because it is working does not mean you won't have an overheat condition. A stuck bypass valve, a stuck thermostat, a head gasket issue, ignition timing issue can all cause overheat. An overheat obviously will occur if the water pump is not working. As for useless gauges, try a trim gauge when you can turn your head and look at the engine. If you can't see it, THEN it becomes a usefull gauge.

Here is how a pressure gauge is fitted on a late model triple or four cylinder Merc.

75c56ac4.jpg


Here is a water temp sender installation on the same series engine.

8b915656.jpg


And if you don't have an unused port into the water jacket of the engine for a threaded sender, you can use this type that mounts under a head bolt.

HeadTempSender60-220Degrees.jpg

when I was looking into installing temp senders, i was reading about OHMs match up between the guage and the sender...

almost impossible to find thos especs...

as it was i ended up with one used sender and a brand new one that looked identical, and wired them to a OMC temp gauge via on-off-on switch..

so i can check both heads..
have had nothing but issues, weird readings, rise and falls and even no readings..

I eventually just installed a second guage (tempo), and i still am having doubts.

is there a diagnostic path to trouble shoot these senders and gauge combos???

I mean outside of standing there with an infared scope while the engine warms up??

thanks

bob
 

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Tons of diagnostics that will eat up your time and your money. The easy and most accurate fix is to go get two of the Teleflex Outboard temp gauge kits. These work fine with the stock Merc senders. Notice I said senders and not alarm switches. The alarm switch looks somewhat like a sender but it is not.

The Teleflex kits come with senders that are correct for the gauge and accurate.

I think the kits go for under 50.00 ea at West Marine or maybe on iBoats parts. If that sounds like too much money then consider the alternative cost of a burnt up motor.
 

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Tons of diagnostics that will eat up your time and your money. The easy and most accurate fix is to go get two of the Teleflex Outboard temp gauge kits. These work fine with the stock Merc senders. Notice I said senders and not alarm switches. The alarm switch looks somewhat like a sender but it is not.

The Teleflex kits come with senders that are correct for the gauge and accurate.

I think the kits go for under 50.00 ea at West Marine or maybe on iBoats parts. If that sounds like too much money then consider the alternative cost of a burnt up motor.

I looked into that closely, none of those kits had senders with the correct thread..

my motor has a spot for the sender, 1/8th-27 pipe thread

most of those kits had 3/8th threads

bob
 

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I looked into that closely, none of those kits had senders with the correct thread..

my motor has a spot for the sender, 1/8th-27 pipe thread

most of those kits had 3/8th threads

bob

I've never seen a merc sender that small. Are you trying to read water temp or head temp? Water temp won't tell you much any other time than at idle. Once the poppet opens you'll be reading lake/river/ocean water temp.
 

bob johnson

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I've never seen a merc sender that small. Are you trying to read water temp or head temp? Water temp won't tell you much any other time than at idle. Once the poppet opens you'll be reading lake/river/ocean water temp.

well i wouldnt neccessarily want a MERC temp sender...I have a JOHNSON outboard!!!!

and the temp sender screws into the head!!! and measure the temperature of the metal...

seems to be the only way i have ever heard of...

never heard of the actual water temp being monitored

aint affraid to invest money for insuring my motor does not get damaged.

i installed temp senders and gauges for BOTH heads, and a water pressure gauge!!!!

bob
 

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Re: Water pressure or water temp ?

So you hijacked a Merc thread with questions about JohnRudes. Have you ever thought about getting a GPS:D
 

bob johnson

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So you hijacked a Merc thread with questions about JohnRudes. Have you ever thought about getting a GPS:D

I never knew I was in the merc section..., i searched water temp and opened this thread...it was all generic, heck merc didnt get mentioned till the fourth post!!

a temp sender and gauge doesnt care what name in on that hunk of metal it is hooked up to!!!

can i get a guest pass quick??? ha ha

bob
 

sschefer

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I never knew I was in the merc section..., i searched water temp and opened this thread...it was all generic, heck merc didnt get mentioned till the fourth post!!

a temp sender and gauge doesnt care what name in on that hunk of metal it is hooked up to!!!

can i get a guest pass quick??? ha ha

bob

Sure, guest pass granted:)..
 

bob johnson

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to bob johnson:

sorry to reply to an old thread but, while searching for infos on senders, i found the answer to your reading problems. See point #9 (gauge can't handle two senders)

http://www.downloadingfiles.co.uk/teleflexfiles/gauges/Outboards.pdf

funny that is exactly what I was using, a double pole ON-ON switch, I never tried to wire both sender to the guage at once!!!

someone said i needed and ON-OFF-ON switch...

I went with two guages and two senders and stopped my troubles

bob
 
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