Water Softener problem.

lakelivin

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Boomyal,<br /><br />Private well, presumably it's iron that makes my water hard.<br /><br />Pur is very similar to Brita, but they advertise their Ultra Cartridges as being able to filter cryptosporidium and giardia. Looks like they added a pleated microfilter that Brita doesn't have. I'd guess the rest of the filter is pretty similar.<br /><br />From Pur site:<br /><br />Patented Filter Cartridge - Each filter provides up to 40 gallons/151 liters (approximately 1-2 months)<br /><br />Activated Carbon - Reduces pesticides (lindane, atrazine and 2,4-D), TTHMs, toxaphene, MTBE, as well as chlorine (taste and odor only), bad taste and odor while leaving beneficial fluoride. <br /><br />Ion Exchange Resin - Reduces lead, mercury, copper and cadmium. <br /><br />Pleated Microfilter - Reduces cryptosporidium and giardia. <br /><br />Automatic Safety Monitor™ gauge - Shows how much filter life is left and when to replace.<br /><br />NSF International, a nationally recognized not-for-profit agency for the certification of water filters, has tested and certified this product to reduce the following list of contaminants. Products with the NSF mark are certified to pass a series of stringent independent tests. <br /><br />NSF Replacement Element. <br />Tested and Certified by NSF International against ANSI/NSF Standard 53 in model numbers CR-800, CR-830, DS-1800, CR-900, and CR-930 for the reduction of 2,4-D, 2,4,5-TP (Silvex), Atrazine, Benzene, Cadmium, Carbofuran, Carbon Tetrachloride, Copper, Cysts, Ethylene Dibromide, Lead, Lindane, Mercury, MTBE, Methoxychlor, Simazine, Styrene, Tetrachloroethene, Toluene, Toxaphene, Trichloroethene, TTHM, Xylene, and Styrene and Standard 42 for Chlorine Class I, Particulate Class I, and Taste and Odor Reduction.
 

boling

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The cleaning is usually done with something like "Iron-Out", which disolves residual iron buildup from the filter bed that regeneration doesn't clean. This is more necessary depending on the hardness of your water. About once a year, I have to do the same to my softener. <br /><br /><br />Mine does track water usage and based on the hardness setting I set, will only regenerate when needed.
 

Boomyal

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Originally posted by LakeLivin:<br /> Private well, presumably it's iron that makes my water hard.
We need to get you back to class LakeLivin. :p Although Ferrous Iron (clearwater iron, dissolved iron) is removed by ion exchange watersoftening, it is a different animal than 'hardness' all together.<br /><br />Hardness is nothing but dissolved limestone (rock). I produces no colored (yellow, red, brown) staining. Hardness leaves whitish crusty deposits and interferes with most all cleaning processes that you do in the home. If this is all you have (no colored staining) then your service provider is taking you for a ride by 'servicing' your softener annually. In other words, no iron, no cleaner. Be a total waste of money. <br /><br />If you would have colored stains without the softener, then you have iron and an occasional use of an acidic cleaner MIGHT be prudent. But as mentioned above, a bottle of it costs about $10. and can be very easily administered your self.<br /><br />If you have very low levels of iron, I would just use a salt that has a 'iron cleaner' in it. It is not as strong as what you buy in a bottle but it will do nicely for low iron content.<br /><br />All the cleaner does is to re-disolve any ferrous iron that was not released in the brining process and stays behind and converts to Ferric Iron. (that is the staining rust state of iron)<br /><br />I believe that the britta is capable of filtering giardia and crypto as well. It does not kill it, it mechanically removes it. Filters that have a half micron capability or smaller will remove it effectively. Pur and Britta probably have the same capability.
 

lakelivin

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Not back to class Boomyal, TO class, which I think this thread is taking care of (thanks to you iBoat 'professors'). No staining I've noticed, so probably mainly a limestone problem. The salt with the 'iron cleaner' in it sounds like a perfect precautionary alternative to the yearly treatment.<br /><br />The hard part is keeping salt on hand to keep the hopper filled. I'm out in the sticks so it's not just a metter of picking up some more whenever I run out. First gotta remember that I need it (an out of sight out of mind problem), and hopefully that's when I'm near a place that stocks it.<br /><br />Btw, anyone know of cheaper salt sources than the big hardware stores (HD, Lowes)?<br /><br />On the pitcher filter thing, last I knew Pur had two classes of filters you could buy, their regular one and an "Ultra" (I think that's what they call it). At one point they were advertising the Ultra as the only major brand that filters out giardia and crypto. I've not seen a Brita filter that makes the same claim, so I think a Brita filter is similar to the Pur regular filter. And you're right, the Pur Ultra has an extra pleated microfilter below the charcol and resiins that filters cysts. Maybe Brita has added to their line, but last time I looked they didn't have a pitcher filter that claimed protection against cysts... <br /> http://www.purwater.com/yourwater/pitchers.shtml
 

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What does Lowes and HD get for a 40lb bag on your end of the country. It's about 4 bucks here. How much salt do you go thru in a month?<br /><br />Look in your toilet tank. If you see no signifigant colored staining there you have no iron issue.
 

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Boomyal, up here we have a real problem with iron. MIL, and we plan to build out at the ranch next spring, has areal iron problem in the well water. Her system brings the well water to a 500 gal tank that has a chlorine pellet system, drops pellets on a timer. Then goes through a iron filter that has charcoal, resin and sand; this cycles daily to back flush. Then next in line is the water softener.<br /><br />??'s <br /><br />1) What is a good system for removing iron -- as theirs is many years old -- two years ago I put a new kit in the iron filter. I would like to put in something better in our house.<br /><br />2) Her water softer probably needs recharges -- what is the stuff ?I can add to the brine to do this.<br /><br />And, I'm always amazed at the collective knowledge of iboats members -- really rocks -- I just read and read and learn; thanks!
 

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Ya need to call me Hang'n In. Can you call into the US economically? Let me know and I'll post my email to get started. It would more easily be done by voice as opposed to here.
 

Dunaruna

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Wow, you guys have really openned my eyes to 'soft' and 'hard' water.<br /><br />Is it just a problem with well water?
 

boling

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Not just wells, some, if not most city water can be a high as 15 grains. <br /><br />My well water has clearwater iron, and is slightly acidic. I can draw a 5 gallon bucket full, add a little clorox, wait 10 min., it looks like tea. I had to install a neutralizer and a softener. Within 6 months I noticed a big difference in the red buildup in the pipes and fixtures.<br /><br />Once you've had soft water, you never go back.
 

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Boomyal, yea I can call cheep; we pay $20 CN for 2000 minutes month, how about that! Can talk over an hour a day.
 

Boomyal

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Originally posted by Dunaruna:<br /> Wow, you guys have really openned my eyes to 'soft' and 'hard' water.<br /><br />Is it just a problem with well water?
Usually Aldo. Water in it's pure form is aggressive. It is natures' solvent. As the water (rain/snow) comes out of the sky it is virtually naturally distilled. As such it has nothing buffering it. As it sits in contact with various materials, it simply disolves them, ie, minerals, metallic pipes etc. Add to the water any carbonic acid (formed from natural CO2) and the water even gets more aggressive (acidic) <br /><br />Most surface water sources, the water has not been in contact with much of anything so it remains fairly clean and aggressive.
 
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