We knew it all along

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The Democrats only plan is to cut and run.

The leaders called for "phased redeployment of our forces in the next four to six months," while shifting their principal mission from "combat to training, logistics, force protection and counter-terror."

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/01/05/us.iraq/index.html

 

[PW2]

Re: We knew it all along

Sounds like a reasonable plan to me.

At least it has the opportunity for success.

 

[rolmops]

Re: We knew it all along

What did you know all along?That Iraq is a quagmire created by our president?
We are lucky that he did sent Bremer and not Browny to run that place.
Please do not accuse anybody of being traitors or something stupid like "cut and run".
Why don't you come up with an alternative,that will get us out of that lice ridden desert.

 

[JB]

Re: We knew it all along

"The leaders called for "phased redeployment of our forces in the next four to six months," while shifting their principal mission from "combat to training, logistics, force protection and counter-terror."

Hmmmm. How is "force protection and counter-terror" different than the current mission? Seems to me that they are combat. Also seems to me that there is a lot of current effort in training and logistics, too.

Do they have any idea what our troops are doing now?? Or are they just going to play with semantics so it seems to be a change in strategy? I think they have yammered themselves into a corner. Time to put up or shut up and they come up with this? They have no plan and no useful suggestions.

The only thing I see different is announcing to our enemies what we are going to do, and when. I really don't think that is likely to be a successful military strategy.

 

[bekosh]

Re: We knew it all along

Sounds like a reasonable plan to me.

At least it has the opportunity for success.

Depends on what you call "success"
If "success" means a regional war between sunnis & shias with tens of thousands of dead, open war between Saudi Arabia & Iran and the entire region in chaos, just so long as our troops are home. Then you are right, it's a great plan.:}

On the other hand, if you think that success would be a stable democratic Iraq as an example to the region, then "cut-n-run", "phased redeployment" what ever you call it, is a terrible plan with no chance of success.

I would rather take the chance that Iraq will join the 21st century and eventually bring the rest of the region with it.
The alternative is to horrible to consider.

 

[fillndablank]

Re: We knew it all along

They have no plan and no useful suggestions.

And this is something new? Neither party has come up with anything "successful".

 

[12Footer]

Re: We knew it all along

The Democrats only plan is to cut and run.

The leaders called for "phased redeployment of our forces in the next four to six months," while shifting their principal mission from "combat to training, logistics, force protection and counter-terror."

Not only are they no longer denying that is and has been their strategy, they are now openly admitting it.
They have a base of kooks that overturned the house to represent --- but at least their elected are actually doing what they promised.Sad but true.

 

[snapperbait]

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I thought, and please refresh my memory here; but was'nt this "fewer (not more) ground forces, more training, counter terrorism, ect." the GWB admins plan to get iraq taking care of their own shiite all along?.......

 

[WillyBWright]

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The weird thing is that an Admiral is going to take charge of ground forces. Shrub must've run out of yessa massa Generals in the Army and Marine ranks to go along with his (Cheney/Rove) BS agenda. It don't matter what nobody says. He's going through with it. He says he's willing to listen to options. But whether or not he's willing to implement them is preordained. He won't. Period. Stay the course is stay the course no matter how he tries to paint it. I wish him luck and I hope he's right. But it isn't him that I pray for if he's wrong.

 

[POINTER94]

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Want to be really scared Willy? If we are to attack Iran, it is widely believed that we will do so off of our carriers. How many battle groups are over there right now?

I guess we can all agree that the concern for the deaths of the Iraqi citizens, was whole heartedly transparent. Running away certainly won't help save any of the innocents. But anyone who didn't know that, doesn't know democrats.

 

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Re: We knew it all along

Want to be really scared Willy? If we are to attack Iran, it is widely believed that we will do so off of our carriers. How many battle groups are over there right now?

I guess we can all agree that the concern for the deaths of the Iraqi citizens, was whole heartedly transparent. Running away certainly won't help save any of the innocents. But anyone who didn't know that, doesn't know democrats.

Way too true... if we leave now the slaughter will increase by an order of magnitude.

Saudi Arabia, along with the rest of the Sunni faction (80% of all Moslems) will get into it with Iran and Syria, and the blood will flow faster than any oil that comes out of that region... maybe in the long run that is a good thing, but in short term?

Get ready to walk to work, there will be no oil shipped, and the US economy will tank.

Want to be really scared Willy? If we are to attack Iran, it is widely believed that we will do so off of our carriers. How many battle groups are over there right now?

That isn't as scary as you think, "boots on the ground" isn't the only way to bring a Government to it's knees.

If you knock out "civilian comforts", command and control, air defense, and run a "phyops war" against the enemy, you have won the 21st century method of warfare... all you need to do is have patience while the enemy withers.

1st rule... no boots.

 

[POINTER94]

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If you knock out "civilian comforts", command and control, air defense, and run a "phyops war" against the enemy, you have won the 21st century method of warfare... all you need to do is have patience while the enemy withers.


Can you imagine what the left wing whiners would say if we knocked out air conditioning or a printing press producing korans. Liberals would bring this country to its knees with their "compassion" for the "civilians". And by extention the fighting forces facing us.

War wasn't meant to be pretty or comfortable, it is one of the things that actually prevents wars. :}

 

[crunch]

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Can you imagine what the left wing whiners would say if we knocked out air conditioning or a printing press producing korans. Liberals would bring this country to its knees with their "compassion" for the "civilians". And by extention the fighting forces facing us.

Who gives a flying **** what the "bed wetting, limp wrist" Democrats say. They are the type of "guy" that gets his glasses broken, his ass whooped, and his lunch stolen in grade school... he then goes on to having his glasses broken, his ass whooped, and his lunch money taken in High School.

If he is really successful in life, he gets a new pair of glasses, he steals your lunch, and tries to whoop our National Security Issues... "can't we all just get along?"

Poster boy for the libs... think about it.

 

[PW2]

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We already have chaos over there. If the Sunnis and Shias want to kill each other, I don't see where it is the responsibility of the US Soldier to stop them.
What will really be a disaster is if we decide to take the side of the Shiites and their militias over the Sunnis

And I guess W saying he is listening to the military commanders on the ground means as long as they agree with him. Disagree, and you apparently get fired.

 

[PW2]

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Oh, and CBC, you guys seem to have forgotten you lost the recent election.

Elections have consequences.

The last six years have given us more than enough evidence of that fact.

 

[crunch]

Re: We knew it all along

We already have chaos over there. If the Sunnis and Shias want to kill each other, I don't see where it is the responsibility of the US Soldier to stop them.

Let me see if I can explain this in 1st grade terms.

In Iraq, the Shia are the dominant faction. In the world as a whole, the Sunni are the dominant faction... by 80% to 20%... with me so far?

The Saudi's have already said they would back the Sunni if the US pulls out.... that means war with Iran and Syria... still tracking?

Now start to think within you lib/dem mind set... what is the future?... What's going to happen over there?

Will it be "Peace and love"?, or will it be the slaughter of the innocent?

 

[crunch]

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Elections have consequences.

Solve the riddle above, then "spam me"

 

[crunch]

Re: We knew it all along

Oh, and CBC, you guys seem to have forgotten you lost the recent election.

Elections have consequences.

LOL... keep a stiff upper lip. The bungling of the Dems in the next 2 years will put things right back in the Rehubs hands, just look at the last few days!!... FTR.

 

[PW2]

Re: We knew it all along

We already have chaos over there. If the Sunnis and Shias want to kill each other, I don't see where it is the responsibility of the US Soldier to stop them.

Let me see if I can explain this in 1st grade terms.

In Iraq, the Shia are the dominant faction. In the world as a whole, the Sunni are the dominant faction... by 80% to 20%... with me so far?

The Saudi's have already said they would back the Sunni if the US pulls out.... that means war with Iran and Syria... still tracking?

Now start to think within you lib/dem mind set... what is the future?... What's going to happen over there?

Will it be "Peace and love"?, or will it be the slaughter of the innocent?

That is precisely the point. That is why Iran will want no part of a wide spread conflict over there.

There has to be a political solution over there, and not a military one. As long as the Americans are keeping a lid on the level of violence, there is no incentive on the part of anyone in the region to get directly involved.

No one wants a wide spread war over there, least of all the Saudis, Jordanians, or Iran. We currently have no political leverage, and without leverage in the region, we are doomed to the same result we have had since this little escapade started.

As Tom Friedman argued recently, you've got to get the Iranians and others in the region to start paying retail for their mischief, and not getting it for wholesale by way of the US military

 

[POINTER94]

Re: We knew it all along

That is precisely the point. That is why Iran will want no part of a wide spread conflict over there.

This is a joke right? Do you not read, view, hear any news of their leader? No further comment needed.


There has to be a political solution over there, and not a military one. As long as the Americans are keeping a lid on the level of violence, there is no incentive on the part of anyone in the region to get directly involved.

If we "redeploy" who will be there to defend. How about national hug your neighbor day? Exactly how long have they been warring in that area? This line of reasoning is as consistant as a nation with one of the highest concentrations of oil in the world needing to create nuclear "power plants" for civilian use.

No one wants a wide spread war over there, least of all the Saudis, Jordanians, or Iran. We currently have no political leverage, and without leverage in the region, we are doomed to the same result we have had since this little escapade started.

Where are you getting this. Syria would love nothing more than to take the northern third of Iraq as they feel it is soverign to their country. Iran is run by a lunatic who could do anything at anytime for any reason. Afganistan, (the war you supported) is still full of insurgents who would love nothing more than to have a safe haven right across a boarder.