We saved the gears! (a long post)

Handyjim

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As outlined is some previous posts, we had problems with our 1960 75 HP Starflite. Wouldn?t stay in gear, forward or reverse. A teardown showed a damaged clutch dog, as well as damaged clutch mating faces on both gears. (See photo). The clutch, at under $100 was doable, but at nearly $1000 for the gears -- no way.

Talked with a machinist friend, an old timer who works on Corvairs of the same vintage. He said the gear faces needed to be precision ground (not machined). So I turned to my son-in-law, who is teaching himself machining and has all the tools. He first created a test shaft, which would allow the gear/clutch to be tested for mating. (Photo).

He then set up a tool post grinder on a lathe. (photo) He selected a grinding wheel that matched the radius of the clutch dog purchase on the gear. After truing the stone, the gear was chucked in the lathe, and the surface was gently ground. It was absolutely necessary the keep the opposing purchase surfaces at 180 degrees. Using Prussian Blue, we tested, using the new clutch dog. The first gear was right on, the second needed a slight touch-up.

I can report that the engine (a college graduation present, along with a 1969 Glaspar boat, for my son) shifts great, and after several hours of testing (chasing the elusive Yellow Tail) stays in gear just fine.

I must note: this is NOT a job for a hand-held Dremel grinder. But based on the time spent, it should be quite affordable to have a machine shop do the job.
 

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Mas

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Re: We saved the gears! (a long post)

Nice job!

What exactly does the Prussian Blue do? Is it a contact indicator?

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Mas

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Re: We saved the gears! (a long post)

How does it show contact? Change color??

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Handyjim

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Re: We saved the gears! (a long post)

Depending on how it's used: if you let it dry, contact can be shown by the dye rubbing off (kind of like scuffing). We used it wet -- we just wanted to see that both sides were hitting.

From Wikipedia:

By machinists and toolmakers

Prussian blue in oil paint is the traditional material used for spotting metal surfaces such as surface plates and bearings for hand scraping. A thin layer of non-drying paste is applied to a reference surface and transfers to the high spots of the workpiece. The toolmaker then scrapes, stones, or otherwise removes the high spots. Prussian blue is preferable because it will not abrade the extremely precise reference surfaces as many ground pigments may
 
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samo_ott

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Re: We saved the gears! (a long post)

Great job. I have two questions. First, are you saying the gears were roughly $333 each or so? Holy smokes, that's a lot. And second, why did you make a test shaft, why not use the original prop shaft to do it? Seems like a lot less work? So I assume there must have been a reason? And how long did the process take? (oops, three questions!)
 

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Re: We saved the gears! (a long post)

How did you grind the dog? Or did you just replace it?
 

BigB9000

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Re: We saved the gears! (a long post)

soooo a file couldn't have gotten close enough?
 

Handyjim

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Re: We saved the gears! (a long post)

I'll try to respond to several questions.

One gear was $375 or so; the other about $450. Add tax and shipping,there you go.

To recondition the clutch dog, metal would have to be added. There is nothing as hard as the gear material (i.e. brass, silver solder, etc.) Also, machining the convex shape of the dog would have been really difficult. And the clutch dog cost $75.00, making it not worth the expenditure of time.

Forget the file. Metal too hard, work must be absolutely precise, hence the remark about a Dremel (a tool I love for certain purposes).
 

bilbo1usa

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Re: We saved the gears! (a long post)

The original prop shaft was still in the motor, and the gear grinding work was done at a remote location, several hundred miles away.

The boat is at my house in San Diego, and my Dad (HandyJim) and Brother ground the gears at my Brother's house.
That's why the test gear shaft was created.

The dog gear was replaced, with new-old stock. It was too badly damaged to try to repair, and the new dog gear was substantially less than the forward and reverse gears.

The repair works great. Boat's been running strong and staying in gear well so far.
 

jbjennings

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Re: We saved the gears! (a long post)

This was very interesting, glad you posted it. I hope you'll check back in with longevity results for the repair. It seems that it would work as good as new. I would think your brother the machinist could make a handy side-job doing those gears through the mail. I know I have quite a few gear sets that I'd like retrued!
later,
JBJ
 
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