weight/people capacity

spdracr39

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I was wondering if there is a standard for the weight/capacity stickers you see on all boats. Mine has a sticker for 9 people at 1700 lbs right next to a recommended seating chart for 7 people. I just saw another one that was for 12 people and only increased weight to 1800 lbs. I don't know a lot of 150 pound adults so i guess If you carry teens you'll be ok. Should there be a government standard for average weight of a person ? Just bored and curious.
 

Ernest T

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I always thought it was calculated by (length of boat) X (width of boat) / 15 = total number of people allowed............at least that was the answer on the boater safety quiz.
 

Racer26

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I know some commercial shuttle boats around here had to recalculate and recertify their boats per the Coast Guard based on an average adult weight of like 180 lbs instead the standard 150 to get the seating capacity. Makes more sense though.
 

spoilsofwar

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Capacity plates are pretty much pipe dreams regardless... Load a smaller boat to capacity, either in people or in max weight, and you will quickly realize it is no fun.
 

oregoncruiser

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I always thought it was calculated by (length of boat) X (width of boat) / 15 = total number of people allowed............at least that was the answer on the boater safety quiz.

You are correct!!! Then take the number of people times 150lbs to determine the weight rating.
 

rallyart

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The load capacity is determined by one of several different complex formulas to determine the displacement characteristics with that load, evenly distributed.
The people capacity is set by the list generated with all the 'people' on one side. There is no direct relation but due to the nature of the shape of a boat they work out to be similar in many cases. There is zero relationship between the number of seating locations and the 'persons' capacity rating. The 150# person is still used in determining the 'person' limit.
 

tincanman

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The 150# person is still used in determining the 'person' limit.

http://www.uscg.mil/hq/cg5/cg5212/aawpp.asp

From what I read, as of dec 1, 2011, the average weight is calculated at 185lbs, not 150lbs. This means that if your boat was rated for 8 people at 150lbs = 1200lbs total person weight, it is now 6(6.4 if you want to be picky) people at 185lbs =1200lbs total person weight.

I know of a few charter boat captians that lost income by lowering the total people they could carry when this change went into effect.
 

rallyart

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Good source tincanman. The 185# rule applies to all passenger vessels but they have yet to update it for recreation vessels. It would make sense to use the newer, more accurate, number in North America but I think the scope of the change is so huge that they have decided not to worry much yet.
 

mrdancer

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Good source tincanman. The 185# rule applies to all passenger vessels but they have yet to update it for recreation vessels. It would make sense to use the newer, more accurate, number in North America but I think the scope of the change is so huge that they have decided not to worry much yet.

FWIW, we have some older 1860 boats that are rated for 7 persons, and some newer 1860 boats that are rated for 5 persons. Boats are pretty similar - think maybe mfrs are starting to migrate to more conservative standards.

The boats' actual capacities are much greater. I think they put max safe capacities at something like 30-35% of actual carrying capacity, to account for things such as bad weather, waves, idiots, etc.

If you want to know your boat's true capacity, multiply wetted length by wetted width in feet - turn that into 'cubic feet' and multiply by 61 for freshwater, 63 for saltwater as your STARTING point. As an easy example, let's use a flat-bottom 1860 boat that may have something like 15' x 5' feet wetted hull, so let's throw 75 cubic feet out there, multiply by 61 for freshwater - that gives us 4575 pounds floatation for submersing the boat twelve inches. If the hull, motor and rigging weigh a combined 1500 pounds, then that gives us 3075 pounds capacity at one-foot submersion. If your gunwales are 24 inches, you are at max. operating capacity if you use a lot of common sense, which most people seem to lack. Now, take 35% of that for a good safety margin and you come up with close to 1200lbs., which is more commonly what you see on boats of this size. Often, more conservative "rule of thumb" measurements/formulas are used to take into account other variables such as deadrise and gunwale flare. Always better for a mfr. to err on the conservative side. Most of this doesn't matter for most of you because you need to obey the mfr. capacity plate on the boat, but it is nice to know for true emergencies.

Some of the commercial boats/ships are a different story. They generally have multi-chambered hulls and self-draining decks with large scuppers - their carrying capacity is limited by the vessel's safe-handling characteristics and downflooding potential. And then you have boats like the small Texas scooters that are essentially a solid platform, maybe 8 feet by 4 feet by 6-8 inches thick, with a console mounted on top and an outboard on the back. Waves roll right over the platform/hull, but you keep on floating. Capacities there are again determined by safe-handling characteristics, but there is really no potential for downflooding. They are basically surfboards with motors.
 

NSBCraig

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It really doesn't matter how many people.

The rated weight carrying capacity which not only includes passengers but your cooler and all your gear on board is the important number.

It's actually not some formula of length x width either it's how much floatation foam is built into the boat and how much the boat (properly equipped) will float when swamped.

This of course is for small boats, once you get to a yacht it changes. Large commercial boats are a different class too and rated by the coast guard (and which license the capt has).

I do understand how a charter capt could lose business from the person rating changing. They still have to same capacity. If they are now rated for less people than they were overloaded before and were operating illegally, something one would learn in their capt license class.

It's a don't exceed either thing not a choose which answer you like best.
 

spdracr39

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Well it must be something recent because my average weight 2008 model is figured at 185 lbs and the sticker I saw on a 2011 model boat was figured at 150 lbs. Could it have something to do with the type of boat? Mine is a bow rider the other was a deck boat style. Boat mfg by Tracker marine (Tahoe)
 
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