Well, I know it's not the fix all, but for now, it's the fix.

1NewBoatGuy

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Re: Well, I know it's not the fix all, but for now, it's the fix.

OK, I found this thread while reading it on my phone. Damn, I must say this is one rediculous repair job.
I normally don't tap in on stuff like this because you should be allowed to take what ever path you choose. But just to point some things out to you, I feel it a duty to really help here.

By placing that piece of steel across the inside of the bottom mounting bolts of the transom will add no structural integrity at all. When a transom gives out, it normally happens at the bottom and pushes in, by placing that type of support on the inside indicates you think it is pulling. WRONG WRONG WRONG, OH YEAH WRONG. Supporting your motor with your ski pylon is definitely a stupid *** idea. Pardon the terminology but there is no better way to put it.
You ski pylon is meant to support a skier. Not a 400lbs motor pulling on it. The only good it will do is when your transom breaks it will keep the motor from falling to the bottom of the lake before the boat does. At best those supports will act as a buttress for the pylon, which in my opinion is the only true structural advantage to how you set them up.

I am normally one to find cheaper or unorthodox ways to make repairs but really this is a nightmare. Red Green might slap you for this one.
Motor supports should be tied to the stringers, no other way around that. If you feel a solid transom is just an accessory, you should at least build up buttresses from the motor mounts to the stringers. After all this is how mid 80's bayliners were done. Bayliners would just have two buttresses supporting a plywood transom that was only about 1.5 ft wide. But then you can look at all the bayliner threads here and that is proof enough even a boat mfg has some pretty crappy ideas on cutting corners.
If I were you and I am not I understand this. I would part your boat out. You will get your money back plus some and with your new knowledge and understanding of what you need in a boat you can then start a hunt for a structurally sound and safer boat. Been here done this, trust me for $1500 you can find a decent boat with patience and restraint.

Also consider the passengers in the back of the boat. When that motor is wide open and the transom says 'F' 'U', those rear seated passengers are going to get the raw end of the deal when the motor comes flying through the back end of the boat or the pylon rips from the floor, whips around and hits them in the face.

I am sure there are some that will read this thread that have lost friends or family to boating mishaps, this is no longer considered a mishap but pure negligence. Pre-write an obituary for the passengers of your boat so you can at least save there families that burden.
 
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Re: Well, I know it's not the fix all, but for now, it's the fix.

All I know is the transom flexed a bit before. It doesn't flex much at all now while basically jumping on the motor. I feel SAFER now. The only 3 other people riding in it live here. They see me working on it coming in and out of the house, and I've shown them what I've done/ am still doing. It's a river boat, always within 2 football fields of the shore. Everyone can swim. This is not a speed boat, jumping waves.

The only thing that worries me is the fine for boat recovery/ epa if it did happen to get a tear and sink. That could have happened before I did anything though. My tire "could" fall off while going to work as well.

I thought you were supposed to make a new thread for a new question. Didn't know you were supposed to stick with the same one throughout the entire process. Had a starter question. Thought I'd throw a question on "Electrical".

Feels like I entered that regulars bar, and getting the stink eye as I walk in. Group think. Maybe some of you that post 15k times here should get off the net, and get out and actually enjoy your super safe boats some more. My god. Arrogance runs amok here.

The transom on you boat looks to be only about 20" high (the wood part) so if you jump on the motor it might flex a little the place you need to keep a eye on in the bottom of the motor transom plate if that looks like its indented into the fiberglass that's going to be the sign that the transom needs to be replaced. Most transoms rot from the bottom up so the bottom goes before the top. The bolts that hold the bottom of the motor transom mount are large enough that when tightened could damage a new transom so by adding the steel backer plate im surprised that you have not punched the transom already. If you are bothered I would suggest removing one bottom bolt then looking inside the bolt hole to see what's really going on in there. You really need to remove the bolts and reseal them anyway as that is the first place that water gets in and rots a transom to start with so its like preventative maintenance. If the area around the bolt hole is rotted out then you can decide where you would like to go from here. It not a hard job to drop the motor and chainsaw the transom guts out and pour in a synthetic transom plus that means you get to buy more tools and play with some chemicals.
People on here may seem mean but they really have no option then to side on caution as this is a open forum so any advice given to you is read by other people so I know that you are playing with a small boat that you plan to use on a small river but the next person reading this is going to be a 22' sea fishing cc with twin outboards so that person may consider that if we ok'ed a temp fix on your boat then its fine to go ahead and do the same.
I would like a picture of the rear of the transom where the bottom transom plate butts up against the fiberglass skin if that's ok.
 
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jbcurt00

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Re: Well, I know it's not the fix all, but for now, it's the fix.


After reading another thread on here about how much flex is ok, and none is, I checked mine, and my heart just sank. Whoever put the motor on just drilled 4 holes through the back of the boat, and caulked it with something. Obviousley the calking didn't do it's job. Bolts were lose, so I went to put locking channel locks on the inner bolts, and found lose and rotten wood beneath the fiberglass I just pulled off. DAMNIT!!
From:
Wow! I may be in trouble with flex, and now I see why.


From the next day:
Still not sure what I'm going to do about transom rot I found yesterday.

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^^^Not bad from the outside, but:
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^^^ Not good from the inside around the thru bolts

Do you even legally own the boat yet?
What I should do is try and get the po to take back his pos boat that's still in his name. So far I've used it twice, so that works out to $800 per trip minus gas.

To borrow a term from our friends across the big pond: It's a bodged transom, somewhat more so now...........

Having been focused on the transom, it appears in that last pix that there is some wavy black plywood & glass surrounding the bilge. Buried in here somewhere didn't you also find damage forward towards the bow too?
 

GT1000000

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Oh Well, I couldn't stay away...

Oh Well, I couldn't stay away...

Grab some popcorn, this is going to take awhile...:pop2:
I just had to disagree:argue: and clarify your talking points...and add to my goal of reaching 1 million posts...:rolleyes:
All I know
About what? Boats? Isn't that why you are here? To learn?
is the transom flexed a bit before. It doesn't flex much at all now while basically jumping on the motor.
This area of "testing" has been covered numerous times throughout this site and is not considered to be an accurate indication of the soundness of a transom...
I feel SAFER now.
We don't, which is why we are coming down on you so hard...

The only 3 other people riding in it live here.
This won't excuse you from liability if anything should happen...

They see me working on it coming in and out of the house, and I've shown them what I've done/ am still doing.
Folks who don't know how to build a house see someone building a house and assume that person has the knowledge, skill, and proper materials to do so...just because you see me flying an airplane
:plane:, does not mean I know what I am doing...
It's a river boat, always within 2 football fields of the shore.
If the current is running strong, swimming 200 yards to shore can seem like 2 miles...
Everyone can swim.
Fine, for how long and how far? Rivers can have some pretty strong currents, can you guarantee that you and yours can swim/float that far in a strong current? Have you tried it?
This is not a speed boat, jumping waves.
The photo in your signature suggests the design of this boat is for skiing and going fast...it by no means looks to be of a slow design and you don't need to be moving to sink...
The only thing that worries me is the fine for boat recovery/ epa if it did happen to get a tear and sink. That could have happened before I did anything though.
If you restored this boat the right way, you wouldn't even have this thought in the back of your mind...
My tire "could" fall off while going to work as well.
You are absolutely right, but on our cars, in most States, you are required to have some liability insurance in case you are not the only one involved.
Do you plan on having the same insurance protection on your boat???...
I have had tires come off, multiple blow outs and even steering failures on some old hunks of junk I owned in my youth, and due to ignorance or stupidity and my belief that I was indestructible, I never worried much about it...
The Grace of God saved me in all cases from having a traged
y occur...
Nowadays, I try to do my part and not leave the entire load on Him...Heck, I wouldn't consider driving an unsafe vehicle on the road, let alone a boat loaded with friends or family I care about...
I thought you were supposed to make a new thread for a new question. Didn't know you were supposed to stick with the same one throughout the entire process. Had a starter question. Thought I'd throw a question on "Electrical".
First of all, the Forum Rules are there for everybody to read, follow and understand...
Secondly, anyone can look up your profile and see that you have started multiple threads, about the same boat, in this section of the forum...we are not talking about another thread in another section of the forum...

Feels like I entered that regulars bar, and getting the stink eye as I walk in.
From everything I have read in your posts and the responses, early on, no one here greeted you with "stink eye"...
You were just not prepared for the truth regarding your boat and felt as though we were all blowing smoke and you have become insulted.

As a group, most of us here love to learn new, SAFE ways to rebuild our boats and while we may argue the points with the person doing it the "new" way... until they have proven that it is a safe and different approach to achieving the same results, we will remain skeptical...
Group think.
Not me, I learn something new everyday and never assume I know the right way to do everything...
Maybe some of you that post 15k times here should get off the net, and get out and actually enjoy your super safe boats some more.
Seems like your ignorance is getting the better of you, because many of the folks on here are currently restoring boats, have restored their boats, have used their boats numerous times, yet for reasons like weather, family, life in general, they are not currently enjoying their better than new restored boats and have generously decided to use their precious time to come on this forum to try and help those that need the information, and use this forum as a motivator to help us build the best and safest boat we can, and part of that is, the information we share back with the members here, which is what makes this the number one site that comes up on search engines relating to boats...
My god. Arrogance runs amok here.
Arrogance is a term that is used when a person assumes to know the right way to do things, yet in reality, DOES NOT! The folks on this forum have learned from many who have come before and had the same experiences, and learned from those experiences, and have passed them on by proving the theories and methods...True arrogance is when an individual tries to justify his position with out an ounce of proof that his way is the better way.

I will gladly await your response and read any future comments, whether good or bad, that you may post.
Keep in mind that life is a two way street...so is the internet...any indication of saying OK to a known Bad repair, by anyone here can be construed as complicity...
If you decide to restore this boat the correct way, you can be assured that I will harbor no ill will towards you and would gladly share any information that I have gained from my years of experience...
Along with a frosty adult beverage to celebrate your success...:tea:
I am also willing to learn, both from your experiences, and those of all the members on this forum.
You are human as are the rest of us.
Most of us have gone through the exact same emotions you are experiencing...
Sometimes a swift kick in the rear is what it takes to finally come to the realization that you are not doing things the right way.
I have had my share in life, and expect a few more before I am gone...
If all that has come from this is that you are insulted and refuse to learn from this, then I truly apologize.
My intentions have never been one to insult, and if it has come across as such, then I humbly beg your forgiveness and hope that you can appreciate that my intentions are to assist and learn from this site whenever possible.
I would rather come off as a jerk and say something to prevent something bad from happening, than come off as a good guy and feel responsible that something bad happened because I didn't say anything...
From what I have gathered, you are fully capable of repairing this boat the right way...to do any less is a disservice to yourself and something that later in life, you may look back on with distaste.
GT1M
 

1NewBoatGuy

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Re: Well, I know it's not the fix all, but for now, it's the fix.

maybe this thread should get stickied. This is great to see so much concern coming from so many different angles. A good scare thread should definitely be at the top of the resto forum.
mod's should also retitle this, " think I can, I think I can, I might kick the can, I think I can kick the can, Yes I can kick the can" morbidly the likely out come.
 

RufNutt

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Re: Well, I know it's not the fix all, but for now, it's the fix.

Don,t get me wrong here and am glad everyone is concerned. I don't agree with the temp fix but I think he knows he is doing it at his own risk and you should not be considered liable. I say to the guys at the warf that it is your life not mine. Just like that saying you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink. In comparison it is like driving a car with no working emergency cable. Wonder how many people let that go in an inspection. I have been caught in a situation when my master cylinder quit working going down a wild hill in heavy traffic, and if I never had a good working emergency brake cable it I would have caused a bad accident and possibly deaths. Anyhow good luck with what you decide to do in the end. Like everyone said there is good advice here.
 
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SigSaurP229

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Re: Well, I know it's not the fix all, but for now, it's the fix.

Hehe He kind of reminds me of Smallboatluvr.
 
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