Whale Wars...

[Pony]

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Not sure it was iboats. Didn't see a pop-up that would confirm it.

I have never once seen a pop-up on this site......can't even remember the last time I had one on any site for that matter.

I watch the show for the comedic value......and that is all.

 

[SteveMcD]

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I used to believe in what they were doing with the stink bombs, etc.Then they started using their gofast boat to deploy prop-foulers. The vast majority of the whaler crews are probably just shmucks trying to make a living. Endangering them out in the open ocean with a deliberately fouled propeller crossed BIG lines in my book. Ramming the gofast boat might have been a case of self defense. What else would have stopped them?

 

[NSBCraig]

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Both sides don't have the law on their side.

The Japanese govt claims that the law is on their side by manipulating the law.

In 1986, the International Whaling Commission (IWC) enacted a moratorium on all commercial whaling. Since then, three nations - Iceland, Norway, and Japan - have brutally slaughtered over 25,000 whales under the guise of scientific research and for commercial purposes.

The Antarctic Treaty prohibits commercial activity in the waters around the continent of Antarctic and created the Southern Ocean Whale Sanctuary.

It is not legal for ANY killing in the sanctuary.

It is legal to kill whales for research, not for commercial interests. The Institute of Cetacean Research?s (the japanese whaling fleet) pretends to do research to justify their pouching, which is presently funded by $30 million of tsunami relief giving to the country from people around the world to help those impacted by the disaster not illegal pouching.

Australia has publicly stated that there is no need for Japan to kill whales to do research, and it is understood worldwide that Japan only conducts this ?research? so that they can commercially sell the whale meat. In May of 2010, Australia announced that it was going to ??initiate legal action in the International Court of Justice in The Hague against Japanese ?scientific? whaling in the Southern Ocean.

Australia ordered one of the japanese ships out of their territorial waters (where they do not have permission to go) on Jan 11. According to a 2008 order of the Australian Federal Court, Japanese whaling vessels are prohibited from entering the territorial waters of Australia.

Jan 4 Australia approved Sea Shepherd using unmaned drones in the sanctuary.

The whaling fleet are internationally funded criminals plain and simple.

 

[WIMUSKY]

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Both sides don't have the law on their side.

The Japanese govt claims that the law is on their side by manipulating the law.

In 1986, the International Whaling Commission (IWC) enacted a moratorium on all commercial whaling. Since then, three nations - Iceland, Norway, and Japan - have brutally slaughtered over 25,000 whales under the guise of scientific research and for commercial purposes.

The Antarctic Treaty prohibits commercial activity in the waters around the continent of Antarctic and created the Southern Ocean Whale Sanctuary.

It is not legal for ANY killing in the sanctuary.

It is legal to kill whales for research, not for commercial interests. The Institute of Cetacean Research?s (the japanese whaling fleet) pretends to do research to justify their pouching, which is presently funded by $30 million of tsunami relief giving to the country from people around the world to help those impacted by the disaster not illegal pouching.
Australia has publicly stated that there is no need for Japan to kill whales to do research, and it is understood worldwide that Japan only conducts this ?research? so that they can commercially sell the whale meat. In May of 2010, Australia announced that it was going to ??initiate legal action in the International Court of Justice in The Hague against Japanese ?scientific? whaling in the Southern Ocean.

Australia ordered one of the japanese ships out of their territorial waters (where they do not have permission to go) on Jan 11. According to a 2008 order of the Australian Federal Court, Japanese whaling vessels are prohibited from entering the territorial waters of Australia.

Jan 4 Australia approved Sea Shepherd using unmaned drones in the sanctuary.

The whaling fleet are internationally funded criminals plain and simple.

I heard that too and I think it's pathetic, IMO.

Say everything you say is true, and I tend to believe a lot of it is, if the IWC knows the "research" thing is a crock why doesn't the IWC do something about it? Is Steve Irwin working in conjunction with the IWC, or, is he doing it on his own with private funding? I always thought the latter. Where is the international community?

 

[Maclin]

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Steve Irwin would have to be doing it from his grave

 

[QC]

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Please keep this from getting emotional/personal/political . . .

How does the IWC have any authority? What gives them any authority? Honest question. I don't know.

 

[WIMUSKY]

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Whether either side is right or not, I'll be watching it again tonite(my daughter watches it too). Then I believe Flying Wild Alaska is right after on a different cable channel...

 

[NSBCraig]

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Yeah Steve Irwin was the Crock guy and he's no longer alive. Boat name is a tribute to the conservationist.

It's all about big money!

Paul Watson one of the founders of Green Peace is who you were thinking of.

Paul is presently under arrest in Germany on an old charge by Costa Rico. Japan gave Costa $9 million to push an old incidence that involved a Costa rican ship that was shark finning in the Galapagos. Sea Shepherd is under request by the park service to patrol and is the major law enforcement for park. Seems the arrest is actually bringing heat down on Costa and the finners though but I'm sure they saw that coming. Shark finning is catching sharks cutting of their fins and throwing them back alive in to sea.

Members of the board of Sea Shepherd include- Richard Dean Anderson, Brigitte Bardot, Linda Blair, Piece Bronson, Sean Connory, Sean Penn, Martin Sheen, Kelly Slater, Anthony Keidis...

Bob Barker paid $5 million to purchase the boat that now carries his name and more recently purchased the new helicopter.

Charity Navigator has given Sea Shepherd their highest rating.

The IWC doesn't seem to have the teeth one would think they do, but then international politics are a crazy thing.

The also don't consider the slaughter of dolphins in the Taliji cove, Japan to be a problem because they don't consider them whales. This horrific senseless slaughter (20,000 yearly) was exposed by the guy who feels he started it all, the guy who trained Flipper. They herd huge pods into a cove, sell off the ones that go to sea world and dolphin encounters around the world and then slaughter the rest. Then they feed the mercury filled meat to their kids under the guise of cheap whale meat. In fact DNA studies done on whale meat at markets in Japan show that most is dolphin and has very high levels of mercury which is poisoning the unsuspecting buyer and school kids.

What seems to be the worst part is that Japan has frozen stores of whale meat (warehouses full)and people there don't really like it anymore. What you have is a gov't that will take the world's help when they need it but because of pride and pride alone are going to continue to do what they want breaking international law and the laws of other countries operating their illegal operations in there waters when they forbid it.

Pride is ruining are world and we only get one world, so if it gets wreaked?

 

[NSBCraig]

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Sam Simon co-creator of The Simpsons donates funds to purchase fourth ship. A retired German Gov't vessel, details are being keep secret for now.

The Sea Shepherd crew intends to return to the Southern Ocean in a campaign to be called Operation Zero Tolerance. Zero Tolerance illustrates our objective of zero kills by the Japanese whalers and it is a title that makes use of the image of the Zero in Japanese history. Sea Shepherd is confident that four ships and two helicopters plus unmanned drones will give the Whale Warriors the combination of speed, range, strength, and communication abilities to accomplish this zero kill objective.

Four ships, four captains, and over 120 crew from around the globe represent a force to be reckoned with, and once again the integrity of the Southern Ocean Whale Sanctuary will be defended by the Sea Shepherd Conservation Society.
 
Sea Shepherd is proud to include Sam Simon in the short and distinguished list of compassionate, dedicated, and concerned activists whose names have graced Sea Shepherd ships over the years.
 
This list includes Edward Abbey, Cleveland Amory, Farley Mowat, Robert Hunter, Steve Irwin, Brigitte Bardot, Bob Barker, and now Sam Simon.

 

[Redneck_Randy]

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Paul Watson is a wanted man now. He jumped bail in Germany and left the country.

 

[Jhudds]

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I may not agree with all of his tactic or beliefs, But I believe in the cause he is fighting for, the fight to protect the endangered species in our oceans. If he interferes and disrupts the Japanese whaling fleet, or the Norwegian grinds, or the Costa Rican Shark finners or the Blue fin Tuna poachers then I say good for him. [Too politically charged - QC] If research is what they are interested in then they could take one animal to dissect and run tests, and tag the others to "research" them in their natural environment. [Too politically charged - QC]

My 2 pennies.

 

[maproy99]

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My thoughts are;
1. I hate poachers
2. The Japanese are poaching.
3. Yes, we can be pissed at EVERY citizen of Japan for not trying to stop the needless slaughter of endangered animals by their government.

 

[Triton II]

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At this time of year the Humpbacks migrate along the east coast of Australia to the tropics from Antarctica and back again. As a sideline I take people on scenic flights to go whale watching. I've been doing this for more than 15 years and the Humpback's numbers are increasing. To see these majestic animals cavorting near the beaches, often with a calf in tow, is a sight to behold. As an Australian I strongly believe we should, under International law, be allowed to prevent any illegal activity in our territorial waters, whether it's whaling, people smuggling or drug trafficking. What the Japanese do in their own back yard is up to them, but so far their track record at looking after even that is pretty poor (Fukushima anyone?). Just my 0.02c worth.

TII

 

[produceguy]

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I would die for my family, not a whale.

that is cool they went to iboats for advice but hey thats were I go too, but I'm not on tv. darn

 

[POINTER94]

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QC as much as I would love to toss some gas on the smothering underpinnings of this little gem for old time sakes I have found it is impossible to sway the opinions of the emotionally invested. All I know is the US navy blew a boat out of the water for possibly no other reason than really really bad seamanship and some unfathomable decisions. No problem...

With millions and millions of people starving, slave labor all over the world, disease rampant with simple medicine sitting in stores inaccessible but available - our worlds celebrities send millions of dollars to fund zealots. This like all issues will not be settled on the oceans but in an embassy or smokey room somewhere by people whose names you have never heard and will never know. At some point. The idea of a gourmet meal of endangered species is going to be as repulsive to the thinking masses in Japan that change will result from within. The concept of ramming ships in the frozen waters a thousand miles from help only appeals to the vain. Spectacle can be achieved in so many ways that doesn't put people's lives in danger. The day my arrogance becomes so great that the taking of another's life to fullfill my goals/agenda is the day I need to be put down.

With all that said, killing whales is just dumb.

 

[aspeck]

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Pointer, a voice of reason ... Who would have ever thunk it?

 

[Jhudds]

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http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/03/world/asia/japan-whaling-group-suffers-financial-loss.html

Sea Shepard seems to be winning the battle.

 

[QC]

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Gentle reminder to keep our cool in this thread. Thanks

 

[WIMUSKY]

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Never been known to be a tree hugger or an animal rights activist, not even close. But, I'll still say.......... cool!

"The institute relies on the sale of whale meat to finance a large part of its operations, experts say."
So it's not just for research......