What a day not on the lake!

tman2586

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Where do I begin? Before listing problems I'm trying to fix, I'll tell you about the boat, and this past Saturday. As a birthday "present", my in-laws gave me their old '78 Marquis 16' bow rider with a Mercruiser 120 i/o. I use the term "present" loosely, as it's been following the saying of a boat being a hole in the water you throw money into! But after a couple of hundred dollars, I've got it running okay enough to tool around the lake from time to time, so it hasn't been too bad.<br />This past Saturday, we took the "S.S. Anxiety" out to the lake to try out a friends wake board. Well, I thought I got all the check-list items taken care of before we got to the ramp, except the main one, the plug! I got it in the water, had my wife start it, and she tells me it doesn't sound right. It's been a couple of weeks since I had ran it, so I thought maybe it was just some junk in the carb and would clean itself out once we got on the lake. After a couple of minutes trying to keep it running, it didn't get any better. I lifted the engine cover to see more water in the boat than in the lake! It's amazing how fast water can fill through such a small opening! So I pulled the boat out, let the water drain for about 5 minutes, with the line waiting to get in the water getting longer by the minute. So finally all the water drains, I put in the plug and back it back into the lake. Starts up, coughs, and dies. Wife again tells me it still doesn't sound right. This time I don't think it sounds right either, so I get in, look at the motor and think now there's water in the engine, which is a problem I'm currently trying to resolve. So I pulled off a spark plug wire to pull a plug, turn the motor over, let out the excess water in the engine, get it fixed and on the lake. No plug socket on hand, so I pulled the boat out of the ramp, past the growing line and to the parking lot. Just as we're driving by, I hear some dumb-*ss say "Oh, they were just baptizing it! as he's walking back to his truck. He continues to tell every truck he passes the same thing, which only adds to my frustration at this point. If I had only had a wrench big enough to smack him with, I would have felt much better. But I decided to try to fix the problem instead of make things worse.<br />Knowing there's water in the engine, my previously stated problem, I was able to drain a little oil and water out the drain plug. My wife turns the motor over and it turns over with no problem! So back into the 20 minute we go! I had her and my 2 year old son go swim for a while, so I wouldn't have to hear "wanna go on the boat, wanna go on the boat!!" over and over again while I waited in line. 2 year olds are great at stating the obvious...<br />I finally get back to the ramp, back it in, wife and son loaded and ready to go! She tries to start it, again with the "it doesn't sound right, let's just go home". I'm determined whatever it is, we can just fix it on the lake, since we drove 30 minutes to get here, and waiting 20 minutes in line, twice, to get to this point. Someone offers to push us off the trailer and into the lake, as I'm now in the boat, holding the butterfly open since my wife flooded the carb trying to start it. We finally get off the trailer, running like sh*t, then dies. My wife tells me we should just load it back up and go home, as she doesn't want to get stranded on the lake, with a 2 year old, and someone who won't listen to reason, that being me. So I get in the water, winch the boat back on the trailer and we head home, deciding to stop at the public pool on the way home. "Wanna go to the big pool!" So we get there and they just closed! Son of a b*tch! What a day. So we get home, apologize for being such a butt-head to the wife, apologize to the baby for not being able to go on the boat or the pool today, and finally get to start working on the boat, again. I hook up the hose, get the boat, and see the spark plug wire hanging loose from when I disconnected it earlier! Somebody shoot me. Reconnect it, drain more oil, and put in new, starts up and runs beautifully. Now do you see why it's called the S.S. Anxiety?<br />So on to the troubleshooting questions, first can anyone tell me if a cracked block would cause water to fill from the bottom up? I do know I'm getting water in the oil from normal running, but I only see it after the season is over and changing the oil prior to the new season. It pours out water for the first minute, then oil when changing the oil. Could it be a head gasket or warped head? I left the water running one day after the boat died, went inside, came back out and it wouldn't even turn over. I turned off the water, pulled a spark plug, turned the motor over and it shot water out like a cannon! I pulled all the plugs and turned it over for a couple of minutes, and it cleared out more water. Once it wasn't sputtering water out anymore, I put the plugs back in, and it started and ran fine.<br />Second question, when we are on the water and the boat actually is running, if I "floor it" from a standstill, it bogs way down. I have to let up on the throttle and ease into acceleration to get going. I did rebuilt the carb about 2 years ago when I got the boat, but could it be improper carb adjustments? Along this same line, when I get up to a certain speed, around 20 or 25 just cruising, the speed never stays the same. It could be like glass on the lake, but it usually will speed up or slow down on it's own, so it's hard to keep a constant speed. Could this also be a carb problem or a cable problem?<br />Thanks for letting me rant a little, I hope someone can help with my actually boat problems, instead of my mental problems! Tman
 

tommays

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Re: What a day not on the lake!

its allmost Impossible to read through your post and try to help you <br /><br />if you can pull out the facts on your motor problems i am sure someone can help you<br /><br />tommays
 

tman2586

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Re: What a day not on the lake!

Hey tommays, after I posted it, and re-read it, it did seem a little wordy. Sorry about that. I had to get this weekends troubles off my chest. :p <br />Quoted from my post:<br />"can anyone tell me if a cracked block would cause water to fill from the bottom up? I do know I'm getting water in the oil from normal running, but I only see it after the season is over and changing the oil prior to the new season. It pours out water for the first minute, then oil when changing the oil. Could it be a head gasket or warped head? I left the water running one day after the boat died, went inside, came back out and it wouldn't even turn over. I turned off the water, pulled a spark plug, turned the motor over and it shot water out like a cannon! I pulled all the plugs and turned it over for a couple of minutes, and it cleared out more water. Once it wasn't sputtering water out anymore, I put the plugs back in, and it started and ran fine.<br /><br />Second question, when we are on the water and the boat actually is running, if I "floor it" from a standstill, it bogs way down. I have to let up on the throttle and ease into acceleration to get going. I did rebuilt the carb about 2 years ago when I got the boat, but could it be improper carb adjustments?<br />Along this same line, when I get up to a certain speed, around 20 or 25 just cruising, the speed never stays the same. It could be like glass on the lake, but it usually will speed up or slow down on it's own, so it's hard to keep a constant speed. Could this also be a carb problem or a cable problem?" Thanks again, Tman
 

Big-E

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Re: What a day not on the lake!

For one there should be no water in your oil. It should just be black and nasty when you change it. You could have a cracked block, bad headgasket, or even a rusty intake manifold. Any one of those would cause problems. <br /><br />As far as your surging. If you have a bad headgasket that could cause surging or even getting water in there could do the same. Also it could just need points adj right or new plugs/wires/cap and rotor. With your carb., It could also be outa adj or simply need a overhaul. It could be any of those things. <br /><br />I think i covered pretty much all of them, allthough it is monday and i may have missed something. Good luck!<br /><br />Big-E
 

tman2586

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Re: What a day not on the lake!

I did a full tune-up 2 years ago, points, rotor, dist. cap, plugs, carb overhaul, adjusted timing, wires, cleaned out the fuel tank, new fuel pump, new fuel filters, etc.<br />This season I just did an oil change, new in-line fuel filter & new plugs. I didn't think about the headgasket causing surging, although it's more like a slow acceleration or decceleration rather than surges. Basically, I can get to speed, but the throttle handle is so stiff, it's hard to "set" it at a certain speed. I've thought about a new throttle cable?<br />I do think I need to pull the head and replace all the gaskets.
 

Limited-Time

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Re: What a day not on the lake!

Water in the oil is never a good thing, ya need to find out where it's coming from. If you’re lucky it's a bad gasket, not the head or block. The performance issue is less critical and should be easily remedied. Help is here to be had. If you haven’t heard it here before, get a manual....it will pay for its self in short order. Good Luck
 

Big-E

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Re: What a day not on the lake!

2 years is along time in the marine enviroment. I replace that stuff twice a season just for good measure. I dont want to get stuck 20 miles into the gulf over a $5.00 part. Sounds like your throttle issue is like my dads king cobra drive before we changed out the main cable from helm to motor. I had a hard time getting throttle to move. Now you can push it with one finger just like my 3.0 L alpha 1. <br /><br />I would sugesst pulling head off and changing head gasket along with intake/exhuast gasket and riser gaskets. If its been a couple years since you changed out your intake/exhuast manifold and exhuast riser id pick up new ones also. While you have the head off bring it to a machine shop and have them give it a once over. I had them rebuilt mine that had water damage for $75.00!<br /><br />You need to find out where this water is comming from. Just so you know i just rebuilt my motor and it cost me about $1100 for hard parts and labor. <br /><br />later, <br /><br />Big-E
 

tman2586

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Re: What a day not on the lake!

Hey Big-E, thanks for the advice. I do have a manual and have read through it fairly often, looking for various tid-bits I'm working on at the time. I am thinking replacing the throttle cable will help with that issue. As far as the water in the oil, is there any way to tell for sure if it's a cracked block, bad head gasket, or other? Will a compression test on each cylinder tell me anything? Thanks, T
 

steve n carol

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Re: What a day not on the lake!

Yes, a compression test is a good place to START. <br />After that you can move on to a leakdown test. <br />Followed by a Engine Block Pressure test, this test can test for a cracked block/head and head gasket. <br />next you can pressure test the exhaust manifold/riser. (these last 2 tests can be performed with air or water.) <br /><br />regarding your first post....I thought you just forgot to put the plug in!<br /><br />....I also thought that the 'baptising it' remark was funny!!!<br /><br />as well as you wanting to 'smack' the guy!<br /><br />....I also winced at the 'can we just go home!<br /><br />....and the apoligie to the baby!<br /><br />....and being 'stuck on the lake'!<br /><br />....you see, I (and most of us) have been there, done that, move on...after the baby grows up! and becomes a teenager and turns your new prop into a rototiller!!! have fun! enjoy the family!!<br /><br />God Bless your efforts....sl
 

tman2586

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Re: What a day not on the lake!

Hi Steve, thanks for the info and advice. I do feel better after reading posts about other people in the "same boat without a plug". Can a leak down test or an engine block pressure test be done on a complete engine, without it being torn down any? If/when I pull the head to replace the gaskets, I'll check the exhaust manifold/riser. Thanks again, T
 

steve n carol

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Re: What a day not on the lake!

Yes, that is when you perform them.<br /><br />several of the regulars at this forum have detailed these tests. <br /><br />Search this forum...using keywords, such as "apoligise to wifey", or "lottamoney"...I am sorry, I meant, keywords such as "leakdown" and "pressure". After you have exhausted this valuable resource, and still have questions, post again, maybe in a new thread...sl<br /><br />P.S. you can perform these tests w/o the exhaust manifold/s riser/s in place....sl
 
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