What boat do I need.

[mundoman4]

Sorry this is long but wanted to explain throughly. <br /><br />I'm looking at buying a boat, and don't know much about them and could use some help. <br /><br />

<br /> <br />It will be mainly used by my Dad. He had a 21' Starcraft (I think) it was for fishing and had plenty of room to move around. It looked something like an older version of this<br /><br />

<br /> <br />He sold it two years ago because it was getting older (8-10 years) and he was worried about the engine since he often went out alone. <br />The boat will be used in New Jersey in the bays and back rivers, but on calm days he will go through the inlet(??) to the Ocean(not out far). I think its called an inlet, I only went one time with him and it was like a canal that had rush hour traffic of boats and the water was very choppy. <br /><br />I stopped at a Marina while on vacation in DE and they showed me a 17' Carolina Skiff with 90HP motor. http://www.carolinaskiff.com/Default.aspx?tabid=102 I liked it because it had lots of room for its length because of the squarish front(instead of getting narrow into a point). <br />To get my fathers opinion, I grabbed a catalog and gave it to my dad telling him I found it while on vacation and maybe he should get something like that next time. He said he was seeing lots of them recently, but would buy the 19' V style, since the flat bottom didn't handle as well and wouldn't be able to go through the inlet, and that he would get the smaller 75HP motor since it was lighter in weight and he didn't go very fast anyway. <br /><br />I'm going to be in Ocean City NJ this weekend and found a dealer nearby that has a package of the 19' semi V with a 70HP motor and trailer for $15,900. (I'll have to add some extras like a canopy) http://www.stevesdeepwater.com/images/1965 V.htm <br /><br />Here are my questions... <br />Will this boat be good for what and where it will be used?<br />Is that a good price for it? Any suggestions on other dealers?<br /><br />I don't know anything about registering boats (I know they all have numbers on them). <br />If I buy the boat in DE they have no Sales Tax, but do I pay if I register elsewhere?. But I will need to register it somewhere. Do I get a NJ registration since it will be used in NJ water, or do I get a PA registration since we all live in PA. I'm not sure where he will keep it. He sometimes kept it at his house in PA, but other times rented a place to park it out of water in NJ (but always complained about the prices) <br />And if I buy it in NJ like I was thinking of, I'll pay NJ sales tax. Will I have to pay again if I need to register in PA. Should I just buy it at a marina in PA? When I check the closest Carolina Skiff dealers they show one in PA one in NJ and one in DE so I assume its normal to buy across state lines. <br /><br /><br />Thanks in advance.

 

[migue]

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Honestly, a 75 hp in a 19CC is way underpowered, that engine will have to work hard to get the boat on plane.

 

[mattttt25]

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is the boat aluminum? from the sales quote, it appears that it is. especially with a 70hp engine.<br /><br />if you have $16K to spend, start looking for used 20' center consoles (fiberglass) with 150hp outboard engine. great boat for the jersey bays and an occasional trip through the inlet (yup, what they are called) to the ocean.<br /><br />buy the best boat you can find for the best price. you'll pay the sales tax in the state you register. register in pa, just easy that way. you can boat in jersey with no problem.<br /><br />good luck-

 

[mulv80]

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I don't like flat bottom boats like the Carolina Skiff for use in the Delaware Bay or any ocean inlets. Flat bottom boats tend to pound and give a wet ride in any kind of chop. I believe Carolina skiff also offers a v-bottom boat sold under the name Sea Chaser maybe that would be better suited for your needs. The other thing about Carolina Skiff is the boats are sold bare and need to be customized for any sort of comfort. They tend to be used primarily for commerical fishing, crabbing and boat rentals. If you are still set on a Carolina Skiff there is a place in Ashland, VA. Ed's Marine Superstore which has the best prices around. You can get a quote from ed's and make a dealer near you match it. As for where to register the boat, I believe you should register where you boat. I live in PA but boat in NJ therefore I have both my boats registered in NJ. I also find that the marine police are less likely to bother local registrations than they are to bother out of state boats.

 

[mundoman4]

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Thanks for the help so far.<br />The boat is fiberglass so its light, http://www.carolinaskiff.com/Default.aspx?tabid=96 I was going to go with the 90HP but since my dad said a 75HP would work I was considering it (although there was little difference in price) Then when I saw the "bundle deal" with a 70HP included I was sure that was what most people would buy.<br /><br />I liked the Carolina Skiff boats because the front was square giving you more room than the narrow pointed boats. I was looking at the Semi V boat since the flat bottom would be harder to control. They do make the SeaChaser but that is much more expensive ($4,000-$5,000) for the same length 19' (and that goes to a point)<br />Will the semi-V style work OK in the inlet or is the full V like the SeaChaser required?<br /><br />I was looking for the 20' center console boats but they are much more $$ new. And while a used boat would be cheaper thats why my dad sold his last one because he was scared to use it because of the age. I would consider a used boat that was one or two years old but how do you know the person that had it took good care of it.<br /><br />Sounds like registration is a matter of choice, since both mattttt25 and mulv80 live in PA but one registers in PA and the other in NJ. Do you need to have an address in NJ to register there?<br /><br />Thanks again, for the advice.

 

[DJ]

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Carolina Skiffs are GREAT boats, but the "sqaureish" bow means a flat bottom. Read-rough ride and wet.<br /><br />ALWAYS get the most HP, you can afford. Underpowered means more fuel useage and not enough power to get out of trouble. The Merc. 75 and 90 are basically the same engine, but the 90 gives 15 more HP, when you need it. You'll feel the difference.<br /><br />Just because tou have the HP, doesn't mean you always use it. Resale is better too.<br /><br />Within that budget, you can find a VERY NICE Boston Whaler-Montauk/Merc power-maybe even four stroke-90, relatively new. <br /><br />That would be my choice.

 

[mulv80]

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I agree with DJ, Buy a used boat with newer power. Those skiffs are great for shallow flat water but it will beat you to death in anything less than flat water. A perfectly calm day are few and far between in the Jersey bays.

 

[mattttt25]

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my old boat was registered in jersey, along with trailer, although i boated in maryland. everything was sent to my parent's address in jersey. don't know how to make it work without an address.<br /><br />as for the carolina skiff, nice boat but agree with the rest- will beat you up and you'll get wet. they also tend to have the stern slide out from under you with any quick turns- just need to be careful.<br /><br />$16K is a lot to work with. you should have no problem finding a 2000 - 2002 20' center console with good power. look in pa and md, where they are less likely to have been used in salt water. check out the boat thoroughly, bring friends that know boats. run the engine. take a test drive. get a professional survey performed if you are still unsure. you'll still save money over a new boat and be just as happy.<br /><br />best move would be to find a good used boat with newer power. that's just what i did, but it's more difficult to find a good package.<br /><br />good luck-

 

[mrloring]

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From New Jersey DMV which handles boats, Pa laws are similar in that they tell you to register the boat in the state that it will be used most often<br /><br />Boats<br /> <br /><br />Boats greater than 12 feet in length regardless of propulsion means must be titled and registered at a MVC Agency. (Exceptions: ship's lifeboat, canoe, kayak, inflatable, surfboard, rowing scull, racing shell, tender/dinghy used for direct transportation between a vessel and shore for no other purposes) <br /><br />Initial Titling<br /><br />Visit your local MVC Agency within 10 working days of purchase to avoid a penalty fee. <br />Present all boat information (see below). <br />Pay fee of $20 (standard) or $40 for a financed vessel (see below). <br />Boat more than 12 feet in length <br /> Requires either a Manufacturer's Certificate of Origin from the dealer for a new vessel, or an assigned New Jersey title. <br /><br /> Boat from out of state <br /> Requires one proof of out-of-state (see below) and all boat information (see below). <br /><br /><br />Proofs of Out of State <br />a bill of sale (must be notarized and from nontitle state) <br />a statement of receipt from the seller (must be notarized and from nontitle state) <br />an out-of-state title (properly assigned) <br />an out-of-state registration (must be transferable, or with bill of sale, and from nontitlestate) <br />a former New Jersey registration (only with bill of sale and proof last registered in NJ prior to 1988) <br />a certificate of ownership by sworn affidavit (only for NJ boats registered by same owner since 1987, and prior, and were never titled. Notary can be from any state. Affidavit only to obtain NJ title by same owner) stating that the owner is in fact the owner. The affidavit must include the year, make, hull identification number, type, length (in feet and inches), type of fuel used, hull material, the vessels' use, and the propulsion system <br /> <br /><br /><br />Boat Information <br />date of birth <br />Social Security number <br />driver license number <br />corpcode (if the boat is corporation owned) <br />make of the boat <br />model of the boat <br />hull identification number <br />type of boat: open, cabin, houseboat or sail boat <br />type of motor (if applicable)utboard, inboard, inboard/outboard, electric, other or non-powered <br />length of the boat <br />primary use of the boat: pleasure, livery, dealers, manufacturer, or commercial <br />type of fuel used in the boat: gasoline, diesel, or other <br />lienholder information <br />type of hull material: wood, aluminum, steel or fiber glass.<br /><br /> <br /><br /><br />Financed Vessels/Boats<br /><br />Visit your local MVC Agency within 10 working days of purchase to avoid penalty fee. <br />Present all boat information (see above). <br />Provide both address and corpcode of lienholder. <br />Pay fee of $40. <br />Customer gets a bottom copy of title only; original goes to lienholder.

 

[Solittle]

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Even 90 hp will be underpowered for a 19'er. A 115 hp would be a good combo. I suspect that you would not even be marginally satisfied with a 75 hp and would even have difficulty in selling it.<br /><br />FYI - Boat manufacturers typically charge over 100% for the options they offer. One of the single highest components of their profits.

 

[Richard Petersen]

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The most critical thing about larger engines in any boat is the fuel consumption and if the tank will give you a full day of 10 miles out the inlet and zipping around. Make sure someone knows a days fuel needs with the supplied tank and the final engine.