What causes a Boat to Slow down in Turns

AZBoatDreamer

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What causes a Boat to Slow down in Turns.

I think I may know the answer to this question and I was just wanted other answers.

When making a turn I notice the Speed dropping some and I have to adjust with more throttle. What causes this. Extra drag from the Boat Hull. Extra drag from the Prop. The harder the turn bank the more throttle I have to give to maintain speed.

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ezmobee

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Re: What causes a Boat to Slow down in Turns

My guess would be your keel pushing through the water not straight anymore is the majority of the slowing down forces.
 

AZBoatDreamer

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Re: What causes a Boat to Slow down in Turns

That makes sence. Drag from the Outdrive Keel.
 

tswiczko

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Re: What causes a Boat to Slow down in Turns

Kind of a physics question
say you're moving along at a steady pace and you try to change directions, that change in directions is going to require energy so you will loose energy from your forward movement to invest in the direction change(forward momentum converted to centripetal force)
 

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Re: What causes a Boat to Slow down in Turns

It's no different than why you have to add throttle to maintain speed through a turn in a car. The resistance created by the change in inertia as well as the different profile of hull in the water will necessitate more throttle in order to maintain a set speed.
 

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Re: What causes a Boat to Slow down in Turns

By definition, when you are turning, you are accelerating, acceleration requires energy. http://physics.info/acceleration/

And yes, the hull is certainly less efficient when not going straight, so that adds additional forces into the equation.
 

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Re: What causes a Boat to Slow down in Turns

Makes sense Haul and TSW. I have to slow down in the car because I cannot make a turn going 50mph for example. I would flip it. LOL ;)
 

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Re: What causes a Boat to Slow down in Turns

By definition, when you are turning, you are accelerating, acceleration requires energy. http://physics.info/acceleration/

And yes, the hull is certainly less efficient when not going straight, so that adds additional forces into the equation.

Maybe I'm just thinking too much into this and should just enjoy the sport of boating. Its slow at work today. :)
 

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Re: What causes a Boat to Slow down in Turns

Plus, if you are trimming your drive up for max speed, you would need to tuck it back in to make a high speed turn or the prop will "blow out". Do you notice a change in RPM's or sound?

If they get higher and you slow down, then you need to trim down.

Doesnt really apply if you are just out cruising. Just more drag is the answer.
 

AZBoatDreamer

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Re: What causes a Boat to Slow down in Turns

Yes I trim up for Speed after getting on Plane. Yes I hear the change in RPM sounds as well.

Am I triming to far up then. Thanks.
 

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Re: What causes a Boat to Slow down in Turns

Yep, tuck in a bump to two, power through the turn and trim back up.
 

AZBoatDreamer

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Re: What causes a Boat to Slow down in Turns

Thanks for the Advice. I guess that throttle and trim button does have some uses. :)
 

ezmobee

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Re: What causes a Boat to Slow down in Turns

Maybe I'm just thinking too much into this and should just enjoy the sport of boating. Its slow at work today. :)

Yeah why'd you have to go an involve physics in our fun huh? :facepalm:

:p
 

45Auto

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Re: What causes a Boat to Slow down in Turns

I thought everyone knew that the earlier you go boating, the slower your boat goes in the turns! :)

And knowing the physics of how things work makes it much easier, cheaper, and more enjoyable to be able to predict how changes to your hull, engine, prop, etc, will affect your boat!

Seriously, it's probably easiest for most people to understand if it?s explained as a thrust vector in relation to the centerline of the boat. The amount of thrust remains constant, but the percentage going into moving the boat forward is proportional to how hard you are turning.

When your boat is going straight, 100% of its? power is contributing to forward motion, like in the picture below.

The portion of the power going into moving the boat forward is the cosine of the turning angle (and you never thought that geometry crap in high school would be useful!).

For example, if our boat is running straight (turn angle 0 degrees) with the propellor delivering 200HP into the water, then the amount of power going into moving the boat forward is 200HP x cosine(0) = 200HP x 1 = 200HP. So all the power is going into pushing the boat forward.

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When you turn, only a part of the power is directed towards the bow in the direction the boat is moving. The remaining part is used to push the stern to the side, as in the pic below. As a general rule, the boat will rotate around it's CG (center of gravity).

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If you want to make a 30 degree turn, then the thrust is directed at a 30 degree angle in relation to the forward motion of the boat. The amount of power going into moving the boat forward in our 200HP example would be 200HP x cosine(30) = 200HP x .866 = 173HP.

If you wanted to maintain the same forward velocity while turning, you would have to increase the throttle setting until the ?forward component? of your thrust vector was 200HP. For a 30 degree turn, that would require increasing the throttle until the engine was delivering 200HP / cosine(30) = 200HP / .866 = 231HP. If you were already at WOT at 200HP, then you?re gonna slow down, nothing you can do about it!

As you turn sharper, more of the power goes into the turn and less goes into forward motion. For example, a 70 degree turn would mean that only 200HP x cosine(70) = 200HP x .34 = 68HP would be going into moving the boat forward. In other words, you?re gonna drop a LOT of speed!

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Obviously, if you want to pivot in place with no forward motion (like one of the Mercruiser or Volvo POD drives), the drive would be turned at 90 degrees. That would mean that the forward component of your thrust would be 200HP x cosine(90) = 200HP x 0 = 0HP going into forward motion. All power would be going into turning your boat.

A straight shaft and rudder works similarly, however it converts less of the total thrust into a turning component. Some percentage will always remain as a forward component due to the fixed shaft.
 

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Re: What causes a Boat to Slow down in Turns

Very impressive 45auto. That explains it very Graphical. I hope you didn't work very hard putting that together.

I feel like I'm in Private Pilot Ground School again.

Thanks a bunch.
 
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Re: What causes a Boat to Slow down in Turns

I think of it like riding a bicycle. Remember when you were a kid (or last week) when you would lock up the back brake and skid the back tire sideways? You stop faster. To less of an extreme, if you stop peddling your bike and turn left or right, your bicycle will slow down more than if you just coasted straight. There is more friction from the change of direction.
 

haulnazz15

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Re: What causes a Boat to Slow down in Turns

If it were private pilot school, you'd know that money makes the aircraft fly, and its anticedent is the FAA.
 

Icyharp

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Re: What causes a Boat to Slow down in Turns

When you go out again and try a turn by triming the lower unit back down and throttle a tad you will be amazed. One of my favorite things is to do is just that since my boat carves a very tight corner, kind of rush I guess. For the most part I am on a river so gradual corners is more what I do, but on a lake when I have it to myself I do from time to time enjoy a nice corner....have fun.
 

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Re: What causes a Boat to Slow down in Turns

I thought everyone knew that the earlier you go boating, the slower your boat goes in the turns! :)

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Classic - well done (as was the rest of your post).
 
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