What is the future for the Israel and its neighbors?

Elmer Fudge

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Purely from a hypothetical prespective, IF you had the power to see into the future, what do you think would become of this area?
 

swartzieee

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The whole Middle East disapears and no more war or problems... Well back to the news and the real world :(
 

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NUKE IT!

I'm tired of watching Billions of my tax dollars get siphoned off to the middle east every year.

Meanwhile the price of gas continues to rise....

Thanks for nothing.
 

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Re: What is the future for the Israel and its neighbors?

Back in the middle 90s I predicted WWIII would be between the Judeo-Christian world and the Muslim world and would start in 1999.

It actually started back in the 80s, but world peacenix refused to acknowledge it. Some understood on 9/11/2001, and a few more understand now.

It's been almost like a boxing match. Fight like hell for 3 minutes then withdraw to your corner. Then come out and fight like hell for another 3 minutes.

I think it is going to continue like that. . . .maybe for a loooooong time, or until the American public decides we are at war and it is time to do what it takes to win, whatever that is.

Israel is not going to tolerate Hezballah (sp?) sniping away and is unlikely to stop when they do. If they have to conquer Lebanon and Syria and flatten Iran, that's what they will do. W will help them if they need it.
 

Elmer Fudge

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My fear is, with the ever increasing influx of new technological weaponry entering into the arena, there will come a time when blind rockets will elevate into something much greater.
 

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Oil will soon loose its position as chief energy supply source.Once oil will have lost its importance,the arab world will return into the sand where it came from,while the high tech nation of Israel will hold economic and scientific supremacy in that part of the world.
Until then,it will be a very rough ride.
 

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rolmops said:
Oil will soon loose its position as chief energy supply source.Once oil will have lost its importance,the arab world will return into the sand where it came from,while the high tech nation of Israel will hold economic and scientific supremacy in that part of the world.
Until then,it will be a very rough ride.

It could well be so, but i don't think that Israel can afford the time to wait until oil becomes a redundant commodity.
 

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Israel is not going to tolerate Hezballah (sp?) sniping away and is unlikely to stop when they do. If they have to conquer Lebanon and Syria and flatten Iran, As per JB.

JB you are right on the money.

Bob
 

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Don't mean this written word to sound harsh or self righteous, so please remember that when reading. I am just a normal bloke really.

The balance of power has shifted.
America has or has almost reached it's Zenith.
China is the super power in Military and Economic sence.
Most Western democracy's:
1. can not fully cloth themselves,
2. the time is approaching when they may be unable to feed themselves.
3. they are unable to provide themselves with manufactured commodities.

I am not comfortable with it. I like things just the way they have been for most of my life.

rolmops:
yes, I agree with your statement re oil but I am skeptical as there are too many of either our leaders/their friends/their political supporters etc making too much money to do the right thing.
They don't give a toss as to how many young Americans or Jews or Muslims die, so long as no one stops their money pouring in.

As for Israel holding economic and scientific supremacy....for get it. Never going to happen.
They will never be able to secure their borders to be able to develop. One of the most basic imputs of any business from the smallest to largest.

JB
An all out war is not going to fix these boys. You can "take out" what ever you want, but at the end of the day, you got to stand on the ground, at every darned street corner, and police/run the show, and that is something an American Army has never sucessfully done. This running back to base for a hot shower/toilet paper/clean underpants/hamburger and ice cream makes those you are trying to convert very P/O'd, especially when they are starving and disease ridden with no way in their life of beating the poverty trap.

England (sorry RPJS) made one of the all-time stuff-ups about 200yrs back. They sent all their convicts and riff-raff to Australia. They should have left them in England and sent the rest. Before anyone jumps on me, think it through, they would now be the most important/powerful country on the planet. You really have to understand what Australia has and what the English mentality is to get that one.

Solution:
To me, Israel is finished.
They were never a race of people taking back their country, but members of a religious order with citizenship from any of hundred countries, deciding to live together in their own land.
They should cut their losses and get to hull out of it, and the obvious place to go is America.
They will be able to live in peace, practice their religion, raise their families and develop their indistries and arts in security. That is something they have not known and will never know in Israel.

If you feel you can batter millions of Muslims in to thinking the way you think, forget it; it is no more likely to happen than them trying to change you over to muslim religion and way of life.

No matter the cost to all of us, cut the bleeding oil off, develop alternatives (no matter the cost) and get the Israelis out, and let who-ever is left have the place.

How many billions of dollars and young lives are we going to pour down that hole over the next 12 months...?.......it is all B/S.
What we are doing does not work.
It will never work.
Is the Pope Catholic?
Do Bears Pooop in the woods?
Will the Muslims of the Middle East change to our ways?

Sorry fellas.
Cheers
Phillip
 

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[colour=blue]incoming....................
 

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Re: What is the future for the Israel and its neighbors?

rolmops said:
Oil will soon loose its position as chief energy supply source.Once oil will have lost its importance,the arab world will return into the sand where it came from,while the high tech nation of Israel will hold economic and scientific supremacy in that part of the world.
Until then,it will be a very rough ride.
Would you mind expounding on that?
I think this war is not about oil! (As much as our US media promotes this)
This is (As I see it an all holds bared war between Muslims and the rest of the world)
YOU believe as I do or I kill YOU!

That’s the way I look at it..
Christians also come to mind 
 

Kiwi Phil

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Aldo.......got your point......I certainly don't want to antagonise anyone.
I apologise if I have.
Hypothetically speaking (1st post) I see my solution as a winner......we win......they loose.....and we spend our money and resources making our lives better and leave them to their choices, which without oil, are rather limited.
Cheers
Phillip
 

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How about turning the entire middle east into a series of man made lakes, we would capture more fresh water for the rest of the planet and have a great time boating and fishing, even playing golf if you're that way inclined.
It would cost the US taxpayers a helluva lot less than what we are paying Israel, Egypt and jordan to act as if they like each other.
 

ae708

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Kiwi Phil... don't send em to America...send em to Australia and New Zealand, put em on the dole and they'll be happy for the rest of their lives.
 

Vlad D Impeller

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ae708 said:
Kiwi Phil... don't send em to America...send em to Australia and New Zealand, put em on the dole and they'll be happy for the rest of their lives.

Why? Don't you like Jews? I think that they are a good and enterprising people, America NEEDS more Jews.
 

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I think the Israelies have a little better understanding of the situation than we do. They are the ones that have been kicked around and killed for centuries. I think the best thing that could happen is if we just let Israel go and take out their pent up anger on the entire area. Better them than us and they have much more to gain. I'm surprised they have not done this before. I think if Canada shot missles at us and regularly killed our people that we would have kicked butt long ago.
 

rolmops

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Link said:
rolmops said:
Oil will soon loose its position as chief energy supply source.Once oil will have lost its importance,the arab world will return into the sand where it came from,while the high tech nation of Israel will hold economic and scientific supremacy in that part of the world.
Until then,it will be a very rough ride.
Would you mind expounding on that?
I think this war is not about oil! (As much as our US media promotes this)
This is (As I see it an all holds bared war between Muslims and the rest of the world)
YOU believe as I do or I kill YOU!

That’s the way I look at it..
Christians also come to mind 
It really is simple.The Arab states grew very fat on oil revenue,but instead of taking advantage of this opportunity and educating its population and becoming economically independent nations they just became non producing consumer nations.On the day that oil becomes a thing of the past,these consumer nations will collapse upon themselves and return to their traditional ways of live.
Israel has only one natural resource.Its people.Because of very intensive educational development it has the highest per capita income of all the middle eastern nations and that includes the oil producers.Israel has the highest per capita budget for pure research and research and development in the world. Intel moved a huge research unit to israel and the pentium 4 cpu was developed there as is the operating system we know as windowsXP. It is this brainpower and adaptability to new environments that will make Israel the winner in the long run.
 

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How about turning the entire middle east into a series of man made lakes, we would capture more fresh water for the rest of the planet and have a great time boating and fishing, even playing golf if you're that way inclined.
It would cost the US taxpayers a helluva lot less than what we are paying Israel, Egypt and jordan to act as if they like each other.

Yesss! that is my exact vision. Those lakes would be form by bomb craters.
 

ae708

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It's not Jews.... it's we don't need any more people. :)
 
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