What is this "VEHICLE ACQUISITION NOTICE"?

jay_merrill

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Whywhyzed, just a suggestion - look for a "program car." They are often leased vehicles that have come back at the conclusion of the lease. Like any other used car, you have to be careful what you buy but they are often in good shape, with low miles and can be had for much less than a new one.

Cars that where being used by sales people can be good too. Years ago, pretty much all the sales people got to take cars home but changes in tax laws and a few other things changed that. Now its ususally just the "executive sales" people, the sales managers, and other more senior folks. They also pay a monthly fee for the privilege of having a car assigned to them. Since these cars are often also used as demo units or loaners to keep a customer happy, the smart salespeople keep them clean by running them back to the detail dept. regularly. They also tend to get sold before they get too many miles on them so, once again, a good deal can sometimes be had.
 

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"I know you don't feel ready to buy now but, why don't you take the car home for a couple of days on us - no obligations .... just bring it back and if you don't like it, we'll take it back."

Translation: This called "the puppy dog." You wouldn't buy then, so they are trying to keep you in the deal any way they can. The game becomes, "who among us wants to take the puppy back to the pound after the whole family has fallen in love with it?" The emotions in the two scenarios are pretty similar and the tactic very often works.

I personally love that tactic. Whenever I go to visit relatives in nearby states, I drive one of these. :eek:

Ok, I havn't actually done that yet, but now I think I might. I won't have any problem returning it, with an empty gas tank, too... :D
 

Bob_VT

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Simple answer: Toyota did not send that. It is a marketing gimmick.

The good news is those sale flyers are done with the entention to sell more cars...... the dealership probably spent 10-15k to have them mailed out. There are real deals to be had provided you do not get caught up in the hype.

Bottom line is this....... you need a good car + dealership wants to sell cars well, if the dealer makes a dollar and you drive away in something newer you are both happy.

Similar "FAKE" items get sent all the time from "fly by night" warranty companies, fake recall notices, fake going out of business sales.........
 

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Only thing I have seen so far in this thread that was not quite true is that the dealer does better on volume. Last I knew, the price to the dealer was the same no matter how many or how few cars they sold. The manufacturer does not give a "break" to the big dealers in price. The big dealer may be able to get popular cars the smaller dealer cannot, but the costs are the same.

Coming from the Car Business (family owned several dealerships - sold the last one quite a few years ago after 42 good years in the business) I have seen many unscrupulous dealers - playing with the emotions of their clients and ignoring what they really needed or could afford. However, you must remember they are only open to make money. So if buyers would be educated, and allow the buyer to make a fair profit, both parties would be happier.

Some suggestions:
1. If you want to buy a car without a trade, come in with a set amount you are willing to allow the dealer to make on you. Remember that in Real Estate they generally make 6% on a much higher dollar item. Go in and offer what seems fair to you ... "I will take this car if you will sell it to me at 5% over cost plus holdback (usually 3% of the true cost that the manufacture holds and pays either quarterly or yearly to the dealer). BTW, 5% is usually higher then the dealership would be willing to negotiate to. They will often be willing to make only $4-500 dollars on a straight deal - without the add-ons. Of course they will try to handle the financing for you, but only allow them if it will save you money. Know what you can get from the bank and tell them they must beat it. They might be able to save you a half a percent.

2. Know your trade and trade value. Then ask to see their figures - cost less wholesale plus profit. Again, you agree on the profit that seems fair and understand you are only going to get wholesale for you car, because they have to make a profit when they sell it also. If you don't like that, then sell the car yourself and buy straight out.

3. Treat the salesman like a human being and he will probably do the same to you. Don't try to get something for nothing and he may even help you get the best deal possible.

4. There is more to a dealership than price. Remember there is service after the sale. How do they treat their customers? Line of credit for service work? How about "free loaner cars" while yours is in the shop - even for just a lube, oil, and filter? Will they take you home, or to work and pick you up again at the end of the day while they work on your car? Will they give you preferential service rates? There are many things to look at other than price in deciding where to buy and how much profit they deserve to get.

Remember, it is your money, and you get to chose how to spend it. Do it wisely. Don't overpay of that vehicle, but remember, if the dealer doesn't make enough money, he will not be there when you want your next car.
 
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Here is another "trick" used by dealerships. When you go in they always ask first if you have a trade in. They then make you think they will give you much more than what you think it is worth on a trade in to make you want to deal. After everything is done no matter what kind of special price on the new car they offer they then deduct the so called value of your trade in FROM THE FULL LIST PRICE OF THE CAR. For example the new car list for 30. The have it "on sale" for 25k but your trade is deducted from 30k and all the other add ons they can come up with. The end result means they got your trade for NOTHING.
 

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I always buy privately. I also always buy used. If you buy new the vehicle deprecates a 1000 dollars the minute you drive it off the lot. Two years ago I was looking for a different pickup. I looked for 3 months. All they had a dealers for used was over priced rusted out junk. I looked at one dealer and he had a 95 f-150 for 9000 dollars that had a hole rusted in it the size of a baseball and had 130000 miles on it. Finally after 3 months of looking I spied a truck for sale privately. I went to look at it and it had 30000 original miles. The owner was a old man who had bought it new when he retired and then never drove it much because of health problems. He wanted 9300 dollars. I took it for a test drive talked to the man for awhile and showed him the print outs I had brought along that said book value was only 8000 dollars. I said I could not afford to spend more then that and drove home. When I got home there was a message on my machine saying he decided to accept my offer. So, I bought a 10 year old pickup for 1300 dollars less then advertised and 1000 less then a local dealer had a similar truck for sale but, with 100000 more miles on it. That is the way I like to buy vehicles.
 
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The "controller" issue is refered to as "control of the sale" in the car business. Just about everything that they do is designed to try to gain control of the sale. The amusing part is that, if the buyer is astute, they can't ... ever. The buyer is the one with the check book, not the salesperson. Buy smart and you own the deal every time.

The point in "setting up an appointment" to come to the dealership is twofold. First, if you set the appointment, you have mentally begun the buying process and are likely to show up. Getting people in the door of the dealership is half the battle. Second, you will probably find that, during your phone conversation, they want to get enough information to run your credit. Somewhere during that time, they will most likely ask you directly for permission to do so. The objective is to "qualify you" as a potential buyer or, perhaps, disqualify you as a "bog" (pronounced bow-g, as in "bogus," as in terrible credit, as in "couldn't buy a car with cash") so they don't waste time with you.

Then there is my favorite - the "bump sticker." That is the smaller, additional window sticker with things like "Paint & Fabric" on it, usually for about a grand. Paint & Fabric pretty much consists of wax and Scotchguard. Since any car manufactured in about the last 25 years or so has been clearcoated, special paint treatment isn't needed. Neither is the Scotchguard but, if you really feel you need it, save yourself $997 and go buy a can to spray the seats yourself! BTW, the reason why these stickers are called "bump stickers" is because, for other than a custom vehicle with real added items (custom van, etc.), they are just there to bump the retail price up and then be sacrificed in the haggling process. Amazingly, many buyers aren't even smart enough to do the haggling and they actually pay full MSRP, plus the bump.

And, since I am on a roll ... be aware of the difference between the "worksheet" that the salesperson does with you in the booth and the actual buyers agreement. The buyers agreement will have a lot of stuff on it that the worksheet doesn't. That starts with tax which, while it is to be expected, often isn't on the worksheet because the idea at that stage is to make you feel like the vehicle is "much less expensive than I thought it would be!" Next is "dealer prep." Most manufacturers actually pay the dealers for this and it doesn't add up to the $500 that is often asked for. When I was selling, it was about $100 and my dealership listed dealer prep at the $500 number. Beyond those two items, you may see "mysterious add-ons" that you never discussed in the deal making. Paint & Fabric often shows up here. Since salespeople are often commissioned based on the difference between the final reatil price & "dealer cost," there is a lot of incentive to throw crap in at this point. One salesman that I worked with, actually used to print in a line with an unidentifiable name, which was made up from his initials and the letters "f" & "m." I'll give you a hint .... "m" stood for money. The amount he put in was usually about $500, and he often got away with doing this.

Another reason why salespeople will try to raise the price is because they know that the "business manager," who is really the finance manager, will cut his/her deal to shreds if that's what it takes to get the buyer to use dealer financing. Finance managers make their money from selling financing - the dealer "buys money" from the bank at "x" percent and the car buyer pays "x" plus something. Out of the difference comes the finance manager's commission.

Hmmmmmmm ..... what else? ....... Ah, yes. Dealer cost! There are usually two - the real one and the one that the salesmanager uses (it will actually be on the dealer paperwork). The reason why the sales manager uses the higher number is because that is part of where his/her commission comes from.

Now that I have revealed some of the secrets and games, and all of the car salespeople at iboats are calling hitmen to make sure I never post again, I'll give you the other side. Car dealerships are in business to make money, just like everyone else. If you give them the fake "dealer cost" price, plus a couple of percent, and make sure that you are not paying for anything else, you are probably only paying about a five percent markup - maybe a little less, maybe a little more. If the dealership does well in that month, they will make more based on volume. All in all, they will do well but probably not any better than many other types of companies. If you do this, however, tip your salesperson on the sly because they aren't going to make much of a commission.

Every word above is true.
 

jay_merrill

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One thing that I forgot ...

"You are pre-approved to apply for a loan!"

Keep reading that until you figure out what is wrong with the statement. Don't feel bad if you don't get it right away - a lot of people don't.
 
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DJ

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One thing that I forgot ...

"You are pre-approved to apply for a loan!"

Keep reading that until you figure out what is wrong with the statement. Don't feel bad if you don't get it right away - a lot of people don't.

"apply"
 
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