What size kicker for a V Hull Sea pro 180CC?

kandil

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Hello I have a 17.5' Sea Pro CC it WT 1500 lb empty with a Force 120HP 20" on it and 42 gal gas tank plus all the trimming:DI want to add a kicker for trolling and for emergency if needed and I had some question that I found most of the answer for it her on so many great posts but I could not figure out what size outboard is good for this boat?now I will install a jack plate on the star port side,and use the EZ steer link for steering and maybe add a second remote.remember this is a V hull and the bay can get a Little rough :D so my questions are.
1- do I need a short shaft or a long shaft?
2- what size HP would be the right size?
3- I have Honda 4 strokes 8HP short shaft,merc 9.9HP 2 strokes short shaft and a 25HP Yamaha long shaft are any off this powerful enough to be the kicker or do I need a 15HP for it to be just right? thanks for your advice
 

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vandy21

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Re: What size kicker for a V Hull Sea pro 180CC?

It depends on what type of water you are boating in. Is it a lake/river or ocean? If there is no waves or current any of those will be fine. They'll probably be fine even with a current. I would probably put the 9.9 on it, thats pretty standard kicker for an 18' boat.
 

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Seems like with a boat your size all a bigger kicker will do is drop your transom lower in the water. I agree with vandy on the 9.9 2 stroke for the lightest weight and sufficient power to get you to shore in an emergency.

PS nice action shot of the Force takin a leak :eek:
 

dingbat

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Re: What size kicker for a V Hull Sea pro 180CC?

A 9.9 HP would work for trolling on a calm day. But throw in the effects of the tide and a little wind and you?re marginal at best.

Several guys I fish with tried using kickers (15 hp) for trolling and decided they where way more trouble than they where worth.
 

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Re: What size kicker for a V Hull Sea pro 180CC?

So what is a good power plant Yam 25HP:confused:or this is too heavy?I will go to the ocean some times and the bay most of the time the water gets rough some times thanks for the input
 

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Re: What size kicker for a V Hull Sea pro 180CC?

I have a 17.5 foot Glassmaster trihull. I really don't know the weight of the boat in my typical operating configuration, but its probably similar to your boat.

I use a Johnson 6hp motor as a kicker, which will push the boat at about 4.0 - 4.5 statute mph in light chop. This speed is measured by GPS. While this motor does serve well as a backup, and for getting in/out of shallow areas, it really doesn't push the boat fast enough to deal with some situations.

If you are thinking about going with an OMC motor, the 9.9 would be OK but I think a 15 would be better. Since the motors are essentially identical, especially in regard to weight, you may as well go for more power. The extra "umph" might come in handy at times, and you can always run it at partial throttle if you don't need extra speed.

As for long shaft v. short shaft, I think there are pros and cons to each. Mine is a short shaft, mounted on the transom next to my main powerplant. It seems to stay in the water just fine, and because it is placed at a point where the hull's V-shape has risen quite a bit, the short shaft is fine. I don't particularly want a long shaft kicker on my boat (the main engine is 20"), because having the short shaft allows me the shoal water capability.

I do think the 25hp motor would be overkill for your boat, and would end up being annoying, due to its size and weight. I also wouldn't go for the 4-stroke, unless your motor has oil injection, which would give you unmixed fuel in the tanks to feed the kicker. As with the 25, however, the weight of a 4-stroke kicker could be an issue.

Hope this helps.
 

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I have a 21 foot Aluminum Runabout, weight 2800 dry.
I use it in the Pacific Ocean, San Francisco bay, the Delta and inland lakes and rivers.

First if you use it in the ocean ever get a Long Shaft or Extra Long Shaft.
On my Boat I have a 15 HP Johnson Long shaft and it works good on most days.

It is mounted on two lift brackets for motor to 20 hp. I made a mounting bracket that ties the two brackets together and made a arm to connect the two releases to lower or raise the motor. The Brackets have a lift range of 15 1/2 inches.

My Boat with a 140 HP I/O, is much lighter in the front so in the wind the bow will turn down wind. The front is also higher and has a soft top which also helps to turn the bow down wind.

I also use an Easy Steer. Motor works very well 90 percent of the time. Top speed is just over 5 MPH on inland lakes.

Out offshore I have two problems. We use it a Lot for slowing our drift when the wind get up in the 30 plus knot range (almost every day durning the Summer). So the motor is in reverse backing into the wind. The swells can be up to 8 feet an as close together as 8 seconds. Problem is the when the swell goes under the stern the Prop will come out of the water. My motor is on the port side and when the prop comes out of the water it will throw water up into the air and the wind will blow it all over my stern starboard fisherman. Also if the motor is set much over idle when the prop comes out of the water the motor will rev up and when it drops back in the water it can break the flywheel key and of course die and not restart until your pull the flywheel and replace the key. So we just run it at idle and use a 4 blade high thust prop 10 by 7 by 4. With this prop we can slow the drift and run at low RPMS so fisherman stays dry the motor will not rev up and will not break the flywheel key.

The second problem is in the big 8 foot swells 8 seconds apart going into the swells and into the wind. If you are quartering and need to turn up into the swell and into the wind then the motor barely has enough power to make the turn between swells. Of course my bow is light and the wind wants to push it down wind and the swell want to push it down swell. It will do it but it right on the edge. Never had to use it in these conditions but have tested several time just for practice and training.

One thing on the Prop comming out of the water. The closer it is to the Transom the less likely it is to come out of the water. Mine on the mount is about 6 inches to 8 inches behind the transom. The prop will come out between swells on real bad day when the swell passes also the motor goes completely under the water when the peek of the swell hits the transom. Motor keep running with no problem.

I have two friends I fish with who mounted the motor on the swim platform and is 18 inches behind the transom. On rough days the motor is almost useless.

Your 9.9 should be fine for your boat but convert it to the long shaft like I did mine. Better yet see if they have a extra long shaft conversion. On thing to know at least on my Johnson 15 is the 9.9 is the same power head, same displacement. The difference in HP is in the carburator and the exhaust tuning and flow. For the most part at low RPMS the 15 has no more power than the 9.9. The real increase in power is at the max RPMS.

For trolling in inland lakes and rivers I can troll from less than 1 MPH to 5 MPH.

As a kicker I really recommend a 4 blade high thrust prop with exhause relief in reverse. On my boat it is the diference form not being able to back up into wind over 5 mph to still being able to back up in 30 mph.
Hope this helps.



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Re: What size kicker for a V Hull Sea pro 180CC?

I have the same boat as you, mine is a 1990 model. I have an 1960 18hp evinrude mounted on the starboard side on an spring loaded mount. It works well for me as the motor weighs under 80 lbs and it will idle way down and troll from 1/2 to 5 mph. If I open it up it will also push the boat at a fair clip back toward the dock. No where near planning, but at least headed in that direction evough to overcome the current. I put my motor on the starboard side to help with prop torque, which it has done a nice job with. If I was going to trailer it very far I would take the kicker off first. At 80 lbs its not that hard to do.
 

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Re: What size kicker for a V Hull Sea pro 180CC?

So what is a good power plant Yam 25HP:confused:or this is too heavy?I will go to the ocean some times and the bay most of the time the water gets rough some times thanks for the input

You?re pretty restricted in the conditions you can accommodate with a 17' boat to begin with. Add a bunch of weight on the transom and it become even worst. Most I know with aux power in that size boat go with bow mounted trolling motors.

My advice would be to try the 9.9 and see how it works for you. My gut feel is that it's going to be more of a hindrance than an asset but you'll never know unless you try.
 

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Re: What size kicker for a V Hull Sea pro 180CC?

I just want to thank you all for this great input I will try the 9.9 and see what it does Hi crb478 you would not happened to have the weiring diagram for your boat? thanks and have a nice day
 

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I don't have a diagram, but I pulled a Johnson/Evinrude wiring harness through, and then I rewired everything else since the engine had been stolen off of my boat before I bought it and several wires had been cut to quicken the removal I just replaced everything. There are generic wiring diagrams that have been posted here on I boats in the past. I just used one of them for guidence.
 

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Re: What size kicker for a V Hull Sea pro 180CC?

Hello I have one last question.I got a Garelick EEZ-in 20hp mounting bracket where to mount it starboard or port side? thank you
 

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Re: What size kicker for a V Hull Sea pro 180CC?

It is really personal preference. However if your going to hook up throttle and shifter cables then works better on the same side as your helm station.

I put mine on the port side because my helm is on the starboard side and I figured if I was boating alone then the weight of the motor and me on the same side may make the boat list to starboard. I think I have only went out alone twice.

Also my depthfinder transducers are on the Starboard side and if I put the motor on that side they would not work at all while drifting with the motor backing.
 

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It can go on either side, it's just what works best for you and the setup on your boat. My 19' CC has it on the port side and my jet boat has it on the starboard, both work well, but switching either one to the other side would create isssues.
 

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Hi Boatist thanks for the transducers tip I did not think about that and to ondarvr can you please elaborate more about the issues switching either one to the other side on your setup? does it have to do with your helm location? thanks in advance
 

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Re: What size kicker for a V Hull Sea pro 180CC?

It only has issues due to my preferences and setup.

The steering link I use on the CC works best when the motor is on the port side, plus the area is wide enough for me to sit and run it from that side easily if i need to.

My jet boat is a tiller, it's common here to use tillers on jet's up to 300HP, the boats go up to about 23', it has to do with how we fish. Since I sit on the Starboard side in a very comfy chair to run the big motor, the small motor is mounted on the same side so I don't need to move at all to run it.
 

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Re: What size kicker for a V Hull Sea pro 180CC?

A couple of points.
First someone said that much weight on the transom wont work, so use a bow mounted trolling motor. Your motor about 74 pounds so if the motor won't work there do not let any people on board either. It will work fine and do not even think about a bow mounted trolling motor as a kicker. Electric trolling may get you back in on a nice day if your less than a mile from launch but not from 5 miles or more and not when it rough and the wind is blowing.

One more thing to think about when mounting motor. If you always come in with the dock on your port side then mounting the motor on the starboard side makes coming to the dock a little eaiser. It will work on either side but motor on the other side from the dock makes it esiser when approching the dock with the wind blowing off the dock. Most likely you will never do it with the kicker. I think that people who set up for the day the main motor fails usually also maintaine the main motor well and never have to use the kicker.
However when your out in big water or the ocean it sure a good feeling to know you have a backup that will get you in. Also cheaper than a tow service.

If your like most of us and dock on different sides depending on wind or the dock your useing then Pick the side that balances the boat best or wont interfeer with your transducers.

When you get it all done come back and let us know how it worked for you and what problems you had.

EZ Steer work great for my steering. When in the ocean or big water always hook it up. When in smaller lakes bass fishing or just going to the beach then we do not hook it up. Eaiser to back into a beach with the main motor up and useing Kicker Tiller steering. I do it all the time back in with just the kicker when get close kill the kicker and raise then step off to shore with an attached line. Usually only get one foot wet at most. Wife tighten the Bow anchor line and I loop the stern line around a tree or plant a stick then back to the boat. If need to adjust can do it from on the boat. When ready to leave untie one end and pull in the stern line.

One last point if your not going to use the EZ steer all the time then put motor far enough apart that if you turn them toward each other they will not hit each other. If useing the EZ steer also want to loosen the steering friction on the kicker so it turns eaiser.
 

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Re: What size kicker for a V Hull Sea pro 180CC?

Hi Boatist Thank you for taking the time and posting and giving me the confidantes in my boat ability to carry a kicker with out problem I think it should be OK now where should the kickers prop be in relation to the hull? should I follow the direction that came with the mount or should I go lower to compensate for rough waters again thanks so much
 

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Re: What size kicker for a V Hull Sea pro 180CC?

Well that is a hard question but probably the most important one.
First is sound like you picked the exact same kicker mount that I am useing. Only thing on mine after a few years I got a second matching kicker mount and put it next to the other and made a new motor mount board to tie the two together. Also made a new relese handel to release both brackets at the same time. There is a poor picture in my first post. Mine are also both on a quick relese adapter plate so can be take off very easy.

First I would strongly recomend that you convert to a 20 inch shaft. When I did my johnson many years ago it was about $80 plus when your in there makes sense to replace water pump unless it just been done.

Where the prop will come out of the water is only big swells like in the ocean. Mine works good until the swell get over 5 feet. If your bracket is like mine with 15 inches of lift then with the bracket all the way up attach the motor. Take a straight edge or 2 by 4 put in on the bottom of the hull and hold up with a jack or something. Now have a couple of buddies hold the motor up with the bracket and mark where the bracket would be for the bottom of the skeg to be 2 to 4 inches above the 2 by 4. This would be my starting place. Problem is you can not go to low or the prop will dragg in the water when on plane and slow the boat way down and put a lot of strain on your bracket. when you get in that position mark the position with some chack or tape. Now put the bracket all the way down and hold the mount in the same postion and verify the cavitation plate is well below that same 2 by 4. Really you want the motor as low as you can go without it dragging when on plane. This is of course a llittle different for each boat.

One more thing before your start messuring ajdust your motor tilt pin so the cavatation plate will be level.

Before you drill holes turn the two motor toward each other and make sure neither prop can hit the other motor. With the EZ-Steer will not be a problem but in my case I use the EZ-Steer when offshore in the ocean and when trolling but do not use it when bass fishing or going to the beach.

As with any hole drilled messure 4 times and check what on the inside before you drill. If you want I could probably find the time to take some better pictures of mine all the way down and all the way up and see if I can remember how to post them.

Good luck
 
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