What ya think?

North Beach

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Re: What ya think?

Kelly, That piece is called the bell housing. To get it off you'll have to remove the motor and unbolt it from the back side. I have a complete thru hull setup for this motor and outdrive here including an untested tilt pump and the rams. Realize you'd still be on the hook for various and assundry boots, impellars, whitzits and gidgets that are gonna cost some money to get this thing up and running. But it would all bolt together for someone with little experience. A much easier job than a total re-power with updated controls and wiring, possibly a new hole in the transom to match the new setup. Does your rig need a new transom? This would be something else you need to think about. Knowing what I know after the work we've done on the LL, I'd take this stuff and very slowly take everything apart and swap out everything that's broken and run it. JMHO

Also you'd prob be looking at around 200 for shipping maybe more. Powering large boats ain't cheap.

Now let's talk about that insane idea of hangin a bracket off the back. I say let one of the guys that are dyin for someone to do it foot the bill. We all want to see one but I think we're all just hopin someone else will do it to see if it works. There are several threads about the theoretical pros and the cons of this approach over on the resto forums. Personally, I think there is way too much that can go wrong in a backyard build environment for me to want to try it. Starcraft had plenty of R & D money at their disposal when they decided to hang them on the Islanders. Way too much risk for me. What if it ends up 2" too high or 2" too low? I don't know enough about all that center of gravity crap to be messin with that crap!

If you're gonna use this boat in dangerous, coastal waters then you're gonna have to be danged sure you have everything working top notch in it. steering, power, guages, etc. It's a little different for me. I just get a tow at the lake if I have problems, but big water would be a whole nother ball game. I guess the point is any way you go about this thing, you're gonna have to put some money in it. It's a 22 foot boat and they don't come cheap.
 

jasoutside

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Re: What ya think?

I hafta say that boat is 500.00 less towards progress...500.00 stashed away while you keep an eye open for a 120/140 donor boat with a more modern (says mr. 1968 OD..lol) outdrive seems more sensible.

But then again..........Its me talking...

Yup, based on what you have there Kelly, I'd say I am with Kev on this. Your motor is yet unknown and everything else you have needs to be replaced. Even if the motor was a good runner this is still a perfect opportunity to swap out for a more current set up (as NB mentioned too).

Hunting for a donor boat with a complete, solid running driveline (pulley to prop) would really be the best use of your time and $$$. Strictly my opinion though.

You know what they say about opinions and armpits right?:D
 

KellyC

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Re: What ya think?

Kelley Take the time to sit down with your favorite drink and a calculator. Figure out the min. cost as well as the max cost for the I/O leg and also the Motor ,as well as the Gimbal housing. Then figure the cost of material to install a OB bracket on the boat. you dont need a monster motor to start with as a 115 or 120 would work nice. You could always trade up. Next figure out how much time it would take you to do either change over. And will you have enough time before summer to do it. I agree with either way you go and everyone is right its you dollar doing the project. It worry's me that your in the middle of spinning your wheels and may gather enough parts at a bit of cost and still not be sure of where you are going. Wish you were closer than 480 miles or I would come down and look at it with you.

Ok Pugetsound bud, I know what you are saying here and I have thought about it.
So I did a quick check on CL for OB's and found several in the 115-120 hp range. Average was around $1700 for a running one. OB bracket would be a min of $1100 and the one I would get would be more because if I am going to modify my boat like that then I want exactly what I want. I would get one with a kicker bracket and a full swim deck as well, so am guessing around $1700 at least for the bracket. Then need controls and gauges to go with said motor. Then there would be the installation of the bracket as well. I have no idea how it goes but I would find out and I am sure that it would be a lot of work and also involve getting help to do as I know that it could not be a one person job. I wish that you were closer as well Puget so that I could get another look from a different set of eyes. And another thing that I do not know is, do you have to have to support the OB bracket when it is on the trailer? If so then I would be on the hook for another trailer as well.

I hafta say that boat is 500.00 less towards progress...500.00 stashed away while you keep an eye open for a 120/140 donor boat with a more modern (says mr. 1968 OD..lol) outdrive seems more sensible.

But then again..........Its me talking...As for a new motor and outdrive Puget and CBK. I could get the glass SC for $500 and this would give me a newer style of OD as well as hydrolics for it and all associated parts that need to go with it. I would just need to find a motor that would be a match if mine does not work. But it does have good compression and so I do not see why it would not run, that is the only real thing that would be keeping it from running. I am fairly mechanical inclined and probably have most every tool that I would need to work on the boat, not all but most. Donor boats around here are not that easy to find for a decent price as I have been on the look for just a beast since I bought this rig.

Kelly, That piece is called the bell housing. To get it off you'll have to remove the motor and unbolt it from the back side.

Nope NB, you do not have to remove the motor to remove the bell housing. Mine currently sitting on my work bench, I pulled the pins that hold the pivot pins in place and then just pulled it out. Now mind you I am not sure how those holding pins stay in place or even what they are supposed to be installed from, as the ones that I pulled out were some larger finishing nails that just pushed in from the outside and had the holes covered with some sort of hard stuff like JB Weld or something.
 

KellyC

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Re: What ya think?

Kelly, That piece is called the bell housing. To get it off you'll have to remove the motor and unbolt it from the back side. I have a complete thru hull setup for this motor and outdrive here including an untested tilt pump and the rams. Realize you'd still be on the hook for various and assundry boots, impellars, whitzits and gidgets that are gonna cost some money to get this thing up and running. But it would all bolt together for someone with little experience. A much easier job than a total re-power with updated controls and wiring, possibly a new hole in the transom to match the new setup. Does your rig need a new transom? This would be something else you need to think about. Knowing what I know after the work we've done on the LL, I'd take this stuff and very slowly take everything apart and swap out everything that's broken and run it. JMHO

Also you'd prob be looking at around 200 for shipping maybe more. Powering large boats ain't cheap.

I totally agree with you NB and we are going to have to talk here bud. One reason I bought this rig is because of the work I read about what you have done on the LL. I knew that there would be things to do and somewhat spendy as well to get this ol girl up and going. I knew I could do it with the help of people like yourself NB. I really think that I can get this going without costing an arm and leg but I also know what you mean when you say big boats are not cheap. I will not take short cuts either, as I want things done right.
Now let's talk about that insane idea of hangin a bracket off the back. I say let one of the guys that are dyin for someone to do it foot the bill. We all want to see one but I think we're all just hopin someone else will do it to see if it works. There are several threads about the theoretical pros and the cons of this approach over on the resto forums. Personally, I think there is way too much that can go wrong in a backyard build environment for me to want to try it. Starcraft had plenty of R & D money at their disposal when they decided to hang them on the Islanders. Way too much risk for me. What if it ends up 2" too high or 2" too low? I don't know enough about all that center of gravity crap to be messin with that crap!
Oh man, if someone wants to foot the bill to try the OB bracket I will be more than willing to let them. I do not know about all the stuff that you are saying here either NB and not so sure I am willing to learn it either. It might not be that bad but then again it could be a real PITA that is for sure.
If you're gonna use this boat in dangerous, coastal waters then you're gonna have to be danged sure you have everything working top notch in it. steering, power, guages, etc. It's a little different for me. I just get a tow at the lake if I have problems, but big water would be a whole nother ball game. I guess the point is any way you go about this thing, you're gonna have to put some money in it. It's a 22 foot boat and they don't come cheap.
That is another reason I would be worried about as well NB. I do plan on going out to bouy 10 which involves crossing the Columbia Bar, the second most dangerous bar in the world, first is somewhere in Africa. It is where the Coast Guard trains thier people for rescue in rough water. I do want something that is very dependable and not something that I may think may fall off the back of my boat at sometime. Yes that thought would always be on my mind if I did go the bracket way.
 

ezmobee

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Re: What ya think?

There's easily $500 worth of parts on the SC link you posted. Buying that, having the OD gone through and replacing the motor with a reman might be the smart money here.
 

Bwana Don

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Re: What ya think?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1986...15384?pt=Power_Motorboats&hash=item1c185fcb18

I know it's in my neck of the woods and not yours, but a modern drivetrain. At least more modern than what you or I have. If I was going to update my I/O here is a great candidate. I would actually go with an SEI (new), still might just because. Contact SEI if you're considering new. I think thier Alpha1 is backward compatable. Ask them, they'll know.

As far as the outboard bracket goes, I'll be very interested to see someone try it. I opted against it cause I'm a fraidy cat. I now embrace my I/O, love that little Chevy. Now that I've had the outdrive off I doesn't scare me a bit. Once I get it tore down and put back together I'll feel more comfortable with it.
 

Pugetsound

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Re: What ya think?

Kelly Im sure you will do whats comfortable for you. As it should be. Good luck with your decision. Also good luck if you really plan on crossing the cClumbia Bar and back again. Make sure your motor whaever it is is in top shape for that trip. Pugetsound
 
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