Whatcha think?

[Pony]

Re: Whatcha think?

Its my understanding that boat motors are designed to and perform best at wot. If you cant run it at wot or close to it i imagine you will build up quite a bit of carbon. Just my 2cents....sparing the lecture as its been said already.

 

[imported_Curmudgeon]

Re: Whatcha think?

Wow, a 30 yo semi-V bow rider at 50 mph ... with more available. Sometimes ya just can't fix stupid!

 

[JasonJ]

Re: Whatcha think?

Just be real careful with it. Your neighbor with the tri-hull is better off because a tri-hull is heavy, and tracks a lot better than a semi-v. There is more room for error with the tri-hull. Your boat will be scary. I had an old 16 semi v that would spin out if mishandled, and it only had an 85 horse on it. All I can say is good luck....

 

[ZmOz]

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Good lord! What a bunch of a$$holes! <br /><br />Dellonn's attitude is completely called for given the responses he's gotten. <br /><br />First of all, overpowering is NOT bad if you do it with a little common sense, it is NOT unsafe, it is NOT illegal, and it is NOT un-insureable. Anybody who says different is pulling the information directly out of their back side. Yeah, if you put a 150hp on the back of 12' aluminum boat and kill someone, or even cause an accident, you're going to get your balls sued off. If you slightly overpower a 16' boat, and cause an accident, the results will be no different than if you were underpowered.<br /><br />I don't know the width of Dellonn's boat to use the coast guard's formula, but for my 16' Glastron it shows 120hp. I have 150hp on it, and it does 50mph very safely. It's insured just fine, and the insurance company knows that it is overpowered.<br /><br />Anybody who thinks LxWx2-90 has anything to do with the HP your boat can handle should not be making the decision of how much HP to use. The formula really has nothing to do with how much the boat can handle. It makes no adjustments for hull type, material, weight, strenth, etc. It also doesn't specify whether it's crank or prop rated HP. That means, in the eyes of the coast guard, a 16' flat bottom aluminum boat with a high performance prop rated 200lb, 120hp outboard would be just as safe as a heavy fiberglass deep V with a 300lb, 120hp crank rated outboard. (about 110 prop HP) Is there anyone who thinks that isn't ridiculous?

 

[byordy]

Re: Whatcha think?

ZmOz; Well said.<br />Bill...

 

[Pony]

Re: Whatcha think?

I don't think anyone here is a bunch of a$$holes just because they are expressing opinions/concerns over this issue. Thats pretty harsh. if you dont agree with them thats fine. I would venture a guess that most here are more upset with the attitude about the lack of insurance. Yeah accidents rarely happen, but they do. Otherwise we wouldnt really need insurance would we. How would you feel if you were the person injured and there isnt any insurance. There is no gaurantee that you can just "foot the bill". Yeah getting your balls sued off will hurt, but if you are that badly overpowered it will hurt a whole lot more.<br /><br />Yeah the 48 is prolly underpowered for that boat. Lets just say that the max for that boat is 85, and even that could be high.(prolly not many people will power a boat with on 56% of its available hp.) If 85 is the case, than there is a big difference between the 150 and an 85 nomatter where you measure it. <br /><br />So yeah ZmOz your Glaston could be rated at 120 and so you put a 150 on it... That is only 30hp difference. A far cry from 65hp difference if dellon's boat is rated for 85. Now who knows it could be rated for more, could be less......but it only had a 48 on it right?<br /><br />Agreed that hp formula is ridiculous, but thats no excuse to ridiculously over power a boat. In the end its the owners descision, and if he wants to just choose to not open it all the way up and not use all the available power to keep it "safe" than fine. Even if one chooses to still put the hammer down, than at least be responsible enough to know that you at at a higher risk for an accident than before and at least get insuranse.

 

[byordy]

Re: Whatcha think?

I do agree with the general consensus on the insurance issue!<br />Bill...

 

[CATransplant]

Re: Whatcha think?

At the risk of being called an ugly name, I'll say this. If that boat was doing 50mph with "plenty of throttle left," it's way overpowered.<br /><br />It's a 1976 16' semi-V fiberglas boat. Probably rated for 75-85 hp, if it's typical of the breed for that year.<br /><br />It's designers probably were going for a max speed of maybe 40 mph for that boat. Remember when it was made.<br /><br />So, my guess is that the boat has twice its rated horsepower if it's doing 50 mph with "plenty of throttle left."<br /><br />Unsafe. No matter how you look at it, it's an unsafe combination.

 

[ZmOz]

Re: Whatcha think?

Originally posted by pony85:<br />Now who knows it could be rated for more, could be less......but it only had a 48 on it right?

That's the problem. Nobody here has a clue about what his boat is rated for or even the dimensions of it. Having a 48hp on it is irrelivant...I've seen a boat similar to mine with a 60hp. Pretty useless with that engine, but that doesn't stop people from using it that way. I didn't say everyone here is an a$$hole, but yes, those that are calling him stupid and telling him to get life insurance instead of trying to help him are just that.

 

[CATransplant]

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No, they don't know what his boat is rated for. Neither does he. When I take a look at other 16' semi-V open bow boats from that period, though, I don't find any rated for 150hp. <br /><br />If he'd tell us the manufacturer of the boat, I think I can find the information, but we don't have that information.<br /><br />The information we do have is that it does 50 mph with "plenty of throttle left" with the 150 hanging on the transom. Darned few basic 16' semi-V open bow boats from that period are designed to do even 50 mph. Most weigh about 700-800 lb. and were designed primarily as fishing platforms or combo boats. Most were pretty much entry-level boats. I can't find any of that design and size that are rated for 150 hp.<br /><br />Even the person writing the question says that 50 mph is "more than enough" for his boat. And he's not even at WOT. "Plenty of throttle left."<br /><br />Overpowered. Just a little faster, and he'll start chinewalking. A little faster yet and he'll trip on someone's wake.<br /><br />He asked for advice. Some pretty clever folks gave him some. He didn't take it. There you go.

 

[Pony]

Re: Whatcha think?

CAT...I think you last two posts pretty much sum it up.<br /><br />But I guess any debate is kinda silly considering all the variables we don't have.

 

[EFIS]

Re: Whatcha think?

Mouse and keyboard $25.40<br /><br />5 litres of TCW-3 Synthetic $34.00<br /><br />Watching this DipS**t flip his boat on a saturday afternoon and wonder what happened -PRICELESS

 

[Boilermaker]

Re: Whatcha think?

Originally posted by EFIS:<br /> Mouse and keyboard $25.40<br /><br />5 litres of TCW-3 Synthetic $34.00<br /><br />Watching this DipS**t flip his boat on a saturday afternoon and wonder what happened -PRICELESS

LMFAO!!!<br />

 

[Dellonn]

Re: Whatcha think?

You guys are similar to my wife. She sometime displays selective hearing. Some of you guys are displaying "selective reading". I conceded that the boat was overpowered. I conceded that 50mph was a little squirly. Pretty sure...wait let me scroll up, yup, I said I only keep it under 30mph. And that's a good speed to keep me happy. The 48 horse took a football field to get me on plane and god only knows at what top speed. This was an extremely affordable engine. And for me, it's more about the tinkering than the actually use. I had a blast rebuilding this boat. And if it managed to **** most of you off. Woohoo, a bonus.<br /><br />P.S. I still have no insurance on my 50+ mph boat, or my 180+ mph bike. And you know what? Until the state of florida tells me it's required, I never will. <br /><br />But, you can bear this in mind, at least at those speeds, i'll be dead, and litigation will be impossible anyway.<br /><br />To you guys who have given nothing but knowledge and respect... I commend you. Thanks for the help and the mature attitude.

 

[ZmOz]

Re: Whatcha think?

Originally posted by Dellonn:<br />And if it managed to **** most of you off. Woohoo, a bonus.

That's what keeps me going.

 

[Dellonn]

Re: Whatcha think?

I'm really beginning to believe most of the people who post here are bitter old fogies who were unhappy when we started powering cars with gasoline engines instead of steam. It amazes me that most of you can even power a computer yet alone type on one. Do you miss the old days of san scrit and hieroglyphs?<br /><br />I keep saying it, and i'll say it again. Just because we have the power doesn't mean we use it or even when we use it, it's wreckless. I have a 175horsepower 450lb motorcyle that I rarely break the speed limit with. I have a 1000watt sony stereo system that the volume rarely makes it above a whisper, I can still to this day remember my grandfather giving me a hard time cause i bought a corvette with 425 horsepower. "you'll shoot your eye out kid". Oh wait, it was "you'll wrap yourself around a tree fool" lecture.<br /><br />Different strokes for different folks. You guys gotta realize, we live (at least i do) in a country where we have the freedom to be idiots if we choose to (even if it is only perceived by the gray haired folks who believe that 60 in a 55 is insane and wreckless).<br /><br />You are belittling a guy (me) who has obeyed every boating law in this state always. Not for fear of getting in trouble but out of respect for the lakes, rivers and other boaters. You will NEVER catch me being unsafe, you will never catch me blowing through a no-wake zone, you will never catch me endangering any other boater on the water PERIOD. <br /><br />I've swallowed your antiquated ideas, your name calling,and your ridicule and kept my mouth shut. It speaks alot about the kind of people and lack of respect you guys have. *Hat's Off* I'll be glad when your generation dies out. It should be fairly soon.<br /><br />Did I go looking for a 150? No, I went looking for a 90 and found a 150 for less than I spent on lunch this week. Did I go looking for your brutality and name calling? No, I asked a simple question, "will it sink" and it gave you guys an oppurtunity to spew forth your "you'll shoot your eye out kid" logic.<br /><br />To a select few...<br />Thanks for all the helpful advice and patience you guys have shared with me, both on this forum and in email. I have a wealth of useful knowledge because of some of you. You have helped me surmount tall obstacles in my new outboard experience. You have saved me money and time and always answered any questions, no matter how dumb. I salute you!<br /><br />Take care guys. I think it's time for greener pastures (and friendlier message boards).<br /><br />--Dellonn

 

[Pony]

Re: Whatcha think?

I dont think that everyone that disagreed with you called you names and ridiculed you. And I do agree we live in a free country, so no matter what is said here you can do whatever you want. Thats why I'm schocked at what has been said in this post.Just because you don't like/ agree with what people say doesnt mean we have to resort to <br /><br />"I'm really beginning to believe most of the people who post here are bitter old fogies who were unhappy when we started powering cars with gasoline engines instead of steam. It amazes me that most of you can even power a computer yet alone type on one. Do you miss the old days of san scrit and hieroglyphs?"<br /><br />I didn't even want to say anything at all because none of this matters and i could care less either way. Just thought the guys on this forum that you are calling old fogies should get a little more respect than that. No one pays them to help all of us, and yet they take the time to help us troubleshoot and repair things that many of us couldnt do without that help. I know im incredibly grateful for the guys on this forum. Im only 21 so im not personally offended at what u have said, and if thats how u really feel than fine, you have the right to think it....but give these guys a little respect

 

[ZmOz]

Re: Whatcha think?

Originally posted by pony85:<br />Just thought the guys on this forum that you are calling old fogies should get a little more respect than that.

The ones that called him stupid, and told him to get life insurance, etc, instead of trying to help have done absolutely nothing to deserve Dellonn's respect. If he had called them that for no reason it would be one thing, but they earned their insult. People that treat me that way (and some on this forum have) don't get my respect either.

 

[cpj]

Re: Whatcha think?

Most of what can be said has been.So,I salute you "Mr.over power your boat man" If you are running at safe speed and obeying the laws,whats the big deal?No blood no foul.That being said,I say,get a camera, find an open stretch of water,and let the big dog eat!Post the video and give us your max speed. BTW what is the Miss Budwieser rated for?

 

[dakk1]

Re: Whatcha think?

Well said CPJ. Dellonn seems like a common sense guy. I wouldn't have any problem boating on the same water.<br /><br />Dave..