what's draining my battery

gorco

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The battery is new and is now drained after 3 weeks.

All I have connected to its is:
1) the + - cables to the motor (115hp mariner 1990)
2) ground from tank
3) fish finder, but it was disconnected.

The key was not it the control so I know that I didn't leave it on.

Anyone have any ideas for me to figure out what's going on?

Thanks

Steve
 

Barnacle_Bill

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Re: what's draining my battery

Check to see if it is charging. Check the voltage with the key off then check it again with motor running about 2K. You should see an increase in voltage. You may have a shorted diode in your rectifier.
 

bruceb58

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Re: what's draining my battery

Get a multimeter that measures current and put it inline with one of your battery leads. It will tell you the actual current draw.
 

gorco

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Re: what's draining my battery

Get a multimeter that measures current and put it inline with one of your battery leads. It will tell you the actual current draw.

I'm electronic illiterate, what do you mean?

I have a mulitmeter, but I'm not sure how to use it to find what is causing the drain.

Thanks
steve
 

Texasmark

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Re: what's draining my battery

First of all disconnect everything from your battery.

For several days, at the same time daily, take your multimeter and put it on dc volts and measure the batteries terminal voltage. If fully charged I like to use the number 12.75. If you are below 12.5 charge the battery, wait a couple of days for it to stabilize from the charging and retake the data.

If the several day test indicates that the voltage remains constant (within 0.2v is a good number) then consider the battery good and move on to the wiring. If not, get a new battery.

Elaborating on Bruce's suggestion per your comment:

Electrical current is "the water in the pipe" that moves energy (power when dissipated) around electrical circuits. The battery could be considered "city water pressure". If you have a pin hole in your water pipe, the water squirts out the hole and can be measured with a flow meter (in the pipe) as to how much you are loosing.

Electric current is the same way. You have a "hole in your pipe" somewhere and you need to find it. The electrical flow meter is called an ammeter.

Your multimeter should have two sets of scales for amps, or amperage. One is a separate plug that is for high current (10-20 amperes). The other range(s) are for milliamperes (.001 x amps) which are small loads. Probably 2 or 3 selections there.

The meter is hooked in series with the load (just like you would put a flow meter in a water line and measure flow) and measures the current (water) flow.

Problem with ammeters in multimeters is that being in series, they have internal measurement components which get hot, the higher the current, the hotter, and you have to get rid of this heat (dissipate it) without overheating the meter or other components therein.

I'd start with the special high current jack/ground connections (assume you have an electronic digital meter, not analog). Plug your meter leads there. You may or may not have to change your range selector switch. I think this is a separate circuit and you just plug it in and read....haven't used one in a very long time. Don't worry about + or - as that depends upon which way you connect your leads and your digital meter will measure either way. If you were to use the milliampere scales, you move your red lead from the high current jack to the V-R-A red jack that you use for everything else. Then select the highest milliampere scale and work back.

You probably will be using the milliampere scales as 3 weeks is a long time to drain the battery, so your leak is pretty small.

Reconnect all ground wires onto the - battery terminal.

Connect one lead of your milliameter (highest scale......200ma or 400ma type thing) to the + terminal of the battery.

One at a time, with all switches in the position where you get the discharged battery, take the other lead of your milliammeter and touch each lead that is normally connected to the + batt term, one at a time.

So we have the + battery terminal to one lead of the meter, thru the meter, out the other lead and onto the individual wiring circuits.

ANY reading on the meter is leakage and that circuit needs to be investigated. Since you are measuring the wires one at a time, the circuit with the reading is the circuit discharging your battery.

On the engine connector, give it time for the electronics packages to charge up (will get a current reading initially and it will go back to zero) before you decide that you have a problem. 30 seconds ought to be an adequate waiting period.

Need more, ask.

Mark
 

gorco

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Re: what's draining my battery

Thanks Mark. I'll try this morning.

Regarding the 3 weeks. I'm not sure how long it took to drain the battery. I charged the battery then brought the boat to a mechanic to do a once over 3 weeks ago. He was back logged and didn't get a chance to look at it, so I decided to pick it up yesterday. No one touched it for the three weeks while it was in his yard.

I put a charger on the battery when I got it home. The voltage read 8.5.

Thanks again.
 

Fishstick1962

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Re: what's draining my battery

Do you have a stereo in the boat? Most of the "Batt Drains" I get are due to the stereo draining the batt. The stereos have preset channels and they require a contant 12V source to hold the presets. Don't sound like much...but it will drain a batt completely dead.
 

gorco

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Re: what's draining my battery

no stereo, but good thought.

I just check with my multimeter. I definitely get current when setting the multimeter to the 200m DCA setting.

two wires to the neg post on battery. One to motor and one to fuel tank ground. Multimeter between pos post on battery and red wire to motor. I got a reading of around 160.

I switched the setup so the red battery wire was on the pos post of the battery and the multimeter was between the neg post and tank ground. I got a reading of 30. I switched to the black wire of the motor and got 130.

What now?
 

Ralphy

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Re: what's draining my battery

If you are only getting 8.5 on it, unfortunately it is dead. 10.5 is 100% discharged and rarely can you get it back up to 12.65 from there. At 8.5 you have several dead cells.





















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bruceb58

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Re: what's draining my battery

Very good for your first try measuring current with the multimeter.

160ma will draw down the battery 3.8A per day so that is definitely your problem.

I think it is going to be in your charging system. Anyway to disconnect things further? I am not an outboard expert so can't help you there at all.
 

Texasmark

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Re: what's draining my battery

"I switched the setup so the red battery wire was on the pos post of the battery and the multimeter was between the neg post and tank ground. I got a reading of 30. I switched to the black wire of the motor and got 130."

Would you re-state this? I want to make sure the first half of the first sentence is what you wanted to say.

The wire from the neg bat post to tank ground is just a reference, anti-sparking safety reference. Should be no current on that lead.

With what you said about the battery and in accord with others advice, get a new battery first and then retake your reading between the red engine wire and the batt + terminal where you say you now get 160 ma.

Would not expect your meter lead polarity (red to + or black lead to +) to make any difference in your current reading but not knowing the circuitry anything is possible.

If you get the battery and still have current flowing, you will just have to start unplugging wires in/on the engine till you pull the one that shuts off the current.

Wouldn't be surprised if were a bad (shorted) diode in your rectifier/regulator module. That should be the red wire(s) off that.......disconnect it and the current should stop.

The Mariner rect/reg module should be as Merc's which have 2 yellow stator wires, a grey tach output and one or two red wires and ground which is either the case of the module or a separate black wire. It is mounted with two screws, is about a 1 1/2 inch square alum potted module.

Otherwise I'd assume something funny in one of your trigger modules.

Looks like you are an electronics expert already. Grin Great job.

Mark
 

gorco

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Re: what's draining my battery

I meant to say that I connected the red wire to the pos battery post and put the multimeter between the neg battery post and the black wire. I got around a 130 reading. Then I put the multimeter between the tank ground and the neg battery post.

I'll start the process of testing other components.

Thanks
 
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