Whether or not to restore an Arkansas traveler

davejr

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Great questions. I will try and answer in order.
Woodonglass questions:
1. I have not taken any measurements. Which ones and why?
2. Cap has to come off to replace Transom.
3. Rivets; Cap bracing under covered bow have been glassed to hull by a previous owner. This will have to be cut.

Bob_VT questions:
1. No Motor yet; It is rated for 85HP and I am kind of looking. Will have to wait and see how boat turns out.
 

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Great questions. I will try and answer in order.
Woodonglass questions:
1. I have not taken any measurements. Which ones and why?
2. Cap has to come off to replace Transom.
3. Rivets; Cap bracing under covered bow have been glassed to hull by a previous owner. This will have to be cut.

Bob_VT questions:
1. No Motor yet; It is rated for 85HP and I am kind of looking. Will have to wait and see how boat turns out.

Measurements of the interior across the beam while the cap is still on are critical. This will ensure that when you de-capitate her to replace the stringers, transom and Deck that the hull does not flex. It can, and sometimes does, if you do not brace it properly. It must maintain it's current shape if the cap is to go back on. Several iBoaters have restored their boats with the cap off only to find that it did not fit back on due to flexing of the hull. Do NOT make this mistake. During the course of replacing everything, take constant measurements to ensure that the hull is maintaing it's desired shape and measurements, especially before tabbing in the deck. Removing the cap IS the best/easiest method to replace the transom especially if you have a large molded splaswell such as yours. A sawzall with a long flexable blade might be able to cut that resined joint if you are careful not to cut all the way through the gunwale. When you go back together I'd use a Marine sealant such as 3M's Marine Grade Silicone Sealant.

Here's some drawings of how I recommend fabricating your Stringers, Transom & Deck. Not how you HAVE to do it, just how I do it. It's your boat, you can do it how you see fit.

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Stringers

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Transom

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Deck - There will be a gap between the deck and the hull side. Fill this gap with "Peanut Butter" This is Thickend resin using Cabosil and Chopped Milled Glass fibers, mixed to the consistency of Creamy Peanut Butter. Use a Large plastic spoon dipped in Mineral spirits to smooth and form a nice coved edge, then run the 1st layer of CSM 4" up on the hull sides and then lay the tabbing of 1708 biaxial cloth, and then the next layer(s) of CSM.

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Woodonglass, Thanks for the info. It is raining in North GA and Christmas company keeps coming. I plan to get started again next week. Will be sure to take measurements. The drawings will be very helpful. I am going to need all the help I can get. My Son is sending Coast Guard regs that they use for checking fiberglass. Again I hope I am not in over my head with this project. Thanks again, davejr
 

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I had the same feelings. I was 59 when I started and just turned 61. Mine was in better shape than yours but it has still been a challenge. If you have some help and if you are dedicated to the project, you can and will "git er dun". All of us here on the forum will be here to support you all along the way. Does the hull have blisters on it? One of the pics kinda looked like it and I did not ask. If it does then... You might want to reconsider. "Boat Pox" as it is called is a bad thing and prolly not worth the effort on this old girl.
 

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We hope everyone had a great Christmas. WE did. Now it's time to get started again. I have posted more pictures on FLICKR. I began pressure washing and these are close ups of the hull. I do not think I have any blistering, but I do have some problem areas. I plan to finish pressure washing, take cap off and cut the out the interior including transom before making a final "go- no go" decision. I am 67 and building a boat is on my "bucket list". I was planning to build a wooden one, but this is going to be an outside adventure, so restoring seems to be the way to go. Thanks, davejr

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Dave,
Everything looks pretty typical for a boat of this vintage. The easiest way to work on the bottom of the hull will be to flip it and sand all the imperfections out and fill in the gouges and deep scratches with a good marine fairing filler. The Spider cracking on the top cap will need to be sanded completely down to fresh glass and either painted or re-Gelcoated. Keep posting pics and asking questions. We're here to help.
 

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Holidays are almost over. First nice day we have had in awhile. I have not been able to find a blade for my angle grinder. Nearest HF is about an hour and a half away. We are going to Florida next week will pick one up on the way. I did however take the rear seat out with my saw saw. I have posted some more picture s on FLICKR http://www.flickr.com/photos/72201691@N06/ . I pulled up some of the sub floor out which is about an inch above the hull. Again I think this was part of the built in flotation. If you look close you can see lines running fore and aft about 3" apart. There might have been wood strips between the sub floor and hull. I would sure like to find someone who has restored one of these boats before. If you go to the Fiberglassics web site. THis boat appears in the 1959, 1960 ( on the cover) and 1961 Arkansas Traveler brochures. In the 1961 brochure it is called the Olympic. I am still leaning towards doing the new floor like 1962 AT was done on iboats. Open for ideas. Hope the weather will let me get started on removing the rest of the interior soon. Thanks davejr
 
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The Deck would have been supported by stringers and bulk heads. I believe Micks old thread has pics of what the substructure is supposed to look like. I'd check back there. Once you get the deck removed you should have a much better idea of how the substructure was put together.

You're gettin there.
 

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Back from Florida, but the weather is terrible. As soon as it stops raining, I plan to remove the rest of the seats and floor. davejr
 

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I just wanted to check in with you. You see what I told you about the photos? You managed to (pardon the term) hook quite a few of the very big fish around here. With them on the case you will find all the answers you need.
Keep up the good work.
Dave:D
 

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Just pulled up your thread, but I'm digging the hood scoop-esque bow light! It might be interesting to leave it w/ that brushed aluminum look, but man I'd love to see it on a freshly painted forward deck & polished up & gleaming. Good looking boat. The motor forums are just as helpful when you get a motor & need to freshen it up too! WOG has a great thread for his boat project, but also check his upholstery thread.

I'm at the mercy of the weather to. Got shut down yesterday when the wife could smell the fiberglass resin as I ground down some of the deck to hull joint. I've gotten about 60%+/- of the transom out, 85%+/- of the deck pulled and am working on getting the rubrail off so I can separate the hull & cap..... My progress is going to be measured in weeks/months not days like some here. Just try & stay connected to the project & work on it bit by bit, eventually the bits will get done & your on to another restoration task.
 

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Thanks for the interest jbcurt00, I gave up on the weather for a while and my wife and I have returned to FL for a few weeks. We plan to return to north GA soon. I am hoping for a few good days to remove the rest of the interior soon. Also I have a neighbor who has offered to give me a small wooden run about, if I will haul it off his property. I looked at it in the rain and it may be to far gone for restoration. I may be able to use the steering from it on my current project. Will post pictures if I decide to get it. Thanks again for everyones help. davejr
 

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Got back from FL and had a good weather day, so I removed the front seats and some more of the flooring. As you can see from the photos, there was wood between the sub floor and hull. If anyone has any ideas on what kind of wood and why it was there, please let me know. davejr
photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/72201691@N06/?saved=1
 

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Although it isn't very likely as it seems few if any manufacturers did much prep or protection on the under side of the interior floor deck, (unlike WOG's 3rd drawing in his post #22 above) that is what your remaining deck looks like to me. During the original construction of your boat, the plank pattern showing on the fiberglass, was laid up & glassed, either on 1 side or both sides. Once cured, the floor deck was placed into the hull glass side down & then glassed in on the top. Thus sandwiching a wood core between the 2 glass surfaces. Which is exactly how most of us will rebuild our boats, based on WOG's drawing mentioned above. It could have been balsa (light & readily available), plywood or other wooden planks. It may have been the way the Traveler was 'double hulled for safety' which was a marketing thing that Glastron used to advertise how great & safe mine was too. All Glastron was referring to in my case was the glass surface laid up over basic plywood that had minimal prep & protection from water prior to it's installation & being glassed from above in the boat. Maybe they were trying to make the Traveler better then other boats in the market when yours was built. Are you positive that you are the 1st to replace the floor?

just my $0.02, and trust me, your overpaying at that....................

It will be interesting to hear what some of the heavyweights around here have to say....

Glad to see you back on it....
 

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hi davejr.

I was asked to look in on this one.

first off, let me say that is a cool boat. love the lines.

I also admire the fact that you want this as a project, not a i need a boat to work right now kinda thing.
If I could caution you, I would do it by saying that we usually dont do a restoration before we get a motor for a boat.
The motor is usually the cost break of the boat. however, If you just want a project and dont care what goes on the back of the boat.....that boat is as good as any to do a restoration on :)

I spent about 20 mins going over your pics. and I have a few concerns.

First off, lets get this sub floor thing cleared up.

the floor in your boat, is not the floor from the factory. Someone has re done the boat previous to you.
They added the second floor over top of the first one......this could be for several reasons....but the most common reason is because, In the older, smaller boats, the mfgr's had the deck very low, this gave the rider a real feel of speed, as well,,,,,the higher sides, gave them the feeling of safety. keeping the center of gravety also helped to keep the boat more stable as people moved around the boat.

The only problem with this was that the "floor" was tiny, it kinda made you put your feet at an angle in the bow. when you tried to put your feet flat on the floor, the curvature of the hull prevented that from happening. and you always felt "cramped" in the tiny cockpit.

The previous restorer of the boat, did what most builders did later on in the mod 60's by raising the deck height.
This allowed for the rider to feel more spacious, and the boat could fit a bigger person more comfortably.

As for you, and how you approach the deck height, is up to you, its your boat !
But both the original deck and the new deck have to come out......this boat is a full gut.

The industry standard currently is a plywood floor, fiberglassed in and a glass liner over top.
Due to the age of the boat, if you choose for the more classic plank floor, go for it.....its your boat, you can do what ever you want with it.
there are different standards for the stringer/frams section of the hull, depending on which way you go, so let us know your decision, and we can guide you as to the proper make up of the route you choose.

As for My concerns, In one picture of the boat, it looked as someone rolled gellcoat over the boat and did not catylize the gellcoat. thinking it was like paint. this gave a really "wrinkly" finish on the boat.
As well, you have several pictures of a transom repair. At this time I haven't been able to figure out if they cut the entire back end off the boat and added the transom or if they just botched a paint/body job.
What ever the method, it will require major gellcoating or paint work to get the exterior of the hull back to looking good.

On a side note, I have noticed you started a flicker account for the boat pics. If I may suggest, start a photo bucket account, then up load your photos there. re size to 640x480. you will see a img tag on your photos. just copy it and past it into your replys. The pics come out very large and detailed right in your post....

They look like this.

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For the restoration forum, the pics show good detail, that is what we need to see in regards to helping with situations people find them selves in during projects.

Keep us up on your progress during tear down if the hull......dont worry, it gets easier on the body during construction.

cheers
oops

P.S. if you get stuck, and cant seen to find the answers, just pm me and ill gladly jump in.
 

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Thanks oops, great info. I have added a few photos to Flickr, (will work on moving photos soon), to show why I thought the floor sub floor and seat bases were original. These data plates are still attached to the inside of the transom. I know the seats were replaced and the decks patched. I think you are right that it needs completely gutted, and a glassed in plywood floor with a built in air pocket for flotation installed. What do you think? As for the exterior, I have no idea what is on it. It looks like someone tried to patch areas and than covered it, without sanding, with a varnish type substance. I have pressure washed it and tried a little sanding. It looks like it will clean up okay when I get it turned over. As you can tell, this is my first glass boat project, so all comments and suggestions are very much welcomed. Thanks again for all the help, davejr http://www.flickr.com/photos/72201691@N06/?saved=1
 

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Good news/bad news, The AT boat is still sitting in my driveway with a cover over it. I have not worked on it in several months. The good news is my wife and I bought a second home in Pensacola, Fl in March. It was in bad need of repair and we have been spending a lot of time down there working on it. Also it is in walking distance of five marinas. I plan to move the boat down there later in the summer and start on it again. Thanks again for everyones interest, Davejr
 
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