Who has jumped to windows 8?

beardeddone

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I really don't see how Microsoft "Screwed" anybody, with Windows 7 in particular. Vista was a PITA, but 7 is a fine working OS. In-fact, after trying 7 for a month or so when it came equipped on a laptop I purchased, I "screwed" myself and installed 7 64 bit on my desktop that was formerly running an OEM version of XP. :D

It was in the upgradable capabilities Microsoft had promoted as Windows 7 was not easily upgradable, even the two programs that Microsoft supplied to be able to copy/move the software didn't work properly, you literately had to start over, no easy task for the faint of heart ..And I have several software that I paid licenses for that would no longer work with Windows 7 as they were licensed for XP so new licenses were required, more money out the door.

If you use your computer for surfing the Internet, or running spreadsheets in Excel, a 32 bit OS is fine. That is why Windows 7 is also offered in a 32 bit format if you want. If you like your PC to do gaming, work related stuff like CAD, or run some of the other memory intensive software out there, you can't beat a 64 bit OS.
XP came in a 64 bit flavor, but was an afterthought. Many of the hardware manufacturers didn't offer drivers for XP Pro 64.

I am not in the Business sector, but I do/did have many games I played on my pc and they all played well with XP as they now do with Windows 7, and I haven't looked, but I doubt there are any 64bit software out there I really need for home use and I haven't seen any, but don't mean they aren't out there...

Yep, an XP 32 bit system will typically only show 3.12 gigs of ram when the max of 4 is installed (the rest of that last full gig being set aside for other hardware). Even if you could get that extra .88 gigs of RAM back, how much faster is your computer going to be? With modern multi-core processors, a PC thats limited to 4GB (thanks to a 32 bit system only having so many address lines) is going to have a serious bottle neck in the memory department.

Yep not just a software limitation but hardware as well, but I really haven't found any software the needs 8 gigs of ram to use after many years of playing games with XP with only 4, but I have drifted away from any newer games so they may be out there, but the games I still have and play there is no difference in the way or speed they play for home use

Microsoft is like any of its competition; a corporation that wants to make billions, and keep making billions. In order to do so, it has to advance it's software to keep up with industry changes, innovations, and user demands. Or it dies.... You can't honestly expect them to do this if they were still pedaling XP, which was released 11 years ago when computers were built just a little bit different than they are now....

Oh I understand both arguments here and for Microsoft it's the bottom line and is there really any competition for Microsoft, not to much, I haven't seen any new operating systems that can compete with the Microsoft Windows operating systems , but 11 years or not for us the consumers, some/many of us could have gone another eleven years without any new operating software and XP did a good job for us, heck I could have gone the rest of my life without any new operating software.
It is really kind of like you said and we really don't have a choice if we want to keep up with the times, as far as needed, no, required, maybe, maybe not, I didn't think so, but the bottom line is money and if we think we need to upgrade our operating systems because Microsoft says we need to then well ok I like most did and is doing just spend the money for it , I have Windows 7 on 4 machines for 2 years now, 2 laptops that had Vista on them and 2 PC's and all seem to like win 7, the two pc's had XP on them, this was a thing of want and what we thought we needed but didn't, but it is nice to have the support as long as we are using it..Not much choice here..

Microsoft is like any of its competition; a corporation that wants to make billions, and keep making billions. In order to do so, it has to advance it's software to keep up with industry changes, innovations, and user demands. Or it dies.... You can't honestly expect them to do this if they were still pedaling XP, which was released 11 years ago when computers were built just a little bit different than they are now....

Yep that is kinda what I said, it is all about the money and computers for consumer use has changed a lot mostly in speed with better/faster hard drives along with faster memory and CPU but is growing obsolete with handheld devices we have today we can do the same things on or with, I have seen many reports of sale plummeting in the sales area in PC and laptops with lack of sales and merges with others, the times have changed for sure and there is no going back.

I have XP I still in use at times on my PC using the Virtual Machine by Oracle and it's updated at times and still works fine, but in my opinion I wish there was more support for Linux on the open market as it works great as well and is usually more secure then Windows of any version is, but that is another story.
Computers were supposed to eliminate the use for paper for the Business world, but if anything this has become unimaginable now how much paper is used today and in three copies instead of triplicate and in some cases both..

Bottom line is nothing lasts forever and all this is just passes time, but for Windows 8 is concerned, I doubt I'll have any part or need of Windows 8 unless my next cell phone has it installed.

I am still contemplating on what I am going to do with my little boat.

Have a good and thanks for the comeback
 

bassman284

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"Charm bar?" Say it ain't so!!! Apparently cutsie-poo is the wave of the future. Great.

Oh well, I suppose I'll be dragged kicking and screaming into the future at some point. Being an old dog, I don't especially care for new tricks when the old ones are serving my needs.

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I am not in the Business sector, but I do/did have many games I played on my pc and they all played well with XP as they now do with Windows 7, and I haven't looked, but I doubt there are any 64bit software out there I really need for home use and I haven't seen any, but don't mean they aren't out there...

If you were into photography you would quickly find out that Lightroom needs 64 bits.
 

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If you were into photography you would quickly find out that Lightroom needs 64 bits.

As does, Photoshop CS5 Extended, which My wife uses daily, under 64 bit it runs like a charm, under 32 it is a dog! She is running a Dell Core I7 with 8 gigs of memory 64 bit Win 7 and some of the files she works on can still choke it!
 

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So, I'm one of those guys that still runs XP on a desktop. What happens when support goes away? Will it still work, but no more updates? What will that eventually mean? Will it be prone to new viruses? I believe my system is around 6 years old which to my understanding is about the full life of any system.

After reading thru this thread, is Windows 8 maybe getting trashed because no one has used it long enough to reaLLY LEARN IT LIKE THEY HAVE WITH wINDOWS 7? Darn caps lock.....
 

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Wim,

Once I got rid of the live tiles boot up and installed a start button, it pretty much works like 7 does, it was not a big jump to go from XP to 7 and now that I have tweeked 8, I am not having any real problems. Just a few differences that you have to learn. XP will continue to work, and I am sure that even when MS stops support, 3 parties will continue to support and program fixes for certain things. One of the problems you will run into, as software evolves, it will not be XP compatible. With the move to 64 bit, I believe even XP 64 will be left behind.
 

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So, I'm one of those guys that still runs XP on a desktop. What happens when support goes away? Will it still work, but no more updates? What will that eventually mean? Will it be prone to new viruses? I believe my system is around 6 years old which to my understanding is about the full life of any system.
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I suspect your computer will be obsolete before 2014. My understanding is that security updates is all they are doing now. Offline XP will be fine for as long as it runs the software you want to run. But software that won't work will get you if your machine does not die.

I won't install my new windows 7 on this system as it exists now. I will be buying a new board, cpu, ddr3 ram and ultra SATA drive. I will wind up spending about the same as a cheap best buy but it will be of much higher quality and last 5-6 years.
 

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Well, it doesn't sound like I need to rush out and buy a new laptop(I'm upgrading from a desktop...lol), at least not yet....... Glad I'm not into electronics. I'd go broke trying to keep up with the latest and greatest. Cell phone just makes/receives calls too......

Thanks for the info MTboat and colbyt.........
 

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+1 on the cell phone. All I want mine to do is make calls.
 

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+1 on the cell phone. All I want mine to do is make calls.

That is all my soon to be 92 year old mom wants a cell phone for is to make calls if she breaks down on the road, she still drives and that is scary enough, lol but, it is getting very difficult to find any just call/receive cells anymore, she is very old school and has trouble with new electronic gadgets, I don't know that I will be able to find another simple cell if hers quits working altho I do see them on occasion on ebay but they are getting pricey as well for old school phones. If it wasn't for the grandkids we probably wouldn't know how to use our 4G's either, this technology has come a long way and it is not a cheap one...but this is all another topic..

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I'm curious to know if you were having issues with the "." key on your keyboard. You literally typed one of the longest sentences on the planet.

Haha, I maybe getting old and slow, but at least my wife can't say I can't hold a conversation even if I just talk to myself. Did I break any records..
 

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Upgraded (1) of my many XP laptops when Windows 8 came out. Fairly snappy when starting up/shutting down. And this is on an older laptop with 1.5GB of ram so I'm fairly impressed.

I made the jump as I'm in IT so I have to learn the new OS. I agree that the new UI (Metro, or whatever they decided to call it today) really sucks if you don't have a touchscreen. I installed Classic Shell to get my start menu back and it works fine.

IF you make the jump, go to Ninite - Install or Update Multiple Apps at Once and allow it to install any of the programs you may need. It will install all the programs with no additional toolbars/bloatware/adware/etc. Fairly slick stuff!!


As far as I'm concerned, if XP is still doing what you need it to do, stick with it. If you want something a little newer, make the jump to Windows 7 but be prepared for a little culture shock as MS changed the locations of many items in 7 over XP. If you want to be on the bleeding edge of technology, then by all means upgrade to 8.

From the time I've had it, I doubt our company will be making the leap to 8 until one of our software packages we use demands it. Solidworks, which we use a lot of, just dropped support of XP under version 2013 so we had to make the switch to Windows 7. Otherwise, we'd still be running XP.
 

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I paid the 15 bux for the upgrade and attempted to dual boot my laptop. The way HP formatted all the recovery partitions on the hard drive I ended up having to do a clean install.

After 2 days I ordered wind7 recovery disks. Worse UI ever. It is built around a touch screen. They try to replace the gestures with mouse movements so I kept opening different windows or going full screen ect ect. It had some nice features and was fast but the UI ruined it.

If they do bring a service pack out or a replacement shell I might consider going back.
 

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Kind of stupid articles. Windows 8 sold something like 40 million copies already. Yes Windows 8 PC sales are down - all pc sales are down. People just don't replace them like they used to, computers got to the "fast enough" point for most people 5 years ago.
 

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I hated going from XP to 7; even with a new machine with 4x the memory, it is slower than the 6 year old computer I replaced. Unless I can get regular non-touch screen UI with Windows 8, I'll be holding out no matter what. For my use of computers, I hate the touch screen idea. I do a lot of photoshop and I cringe whenever anyone touches the screen and get smudges & schmutz on it! :)
 

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Kind of stupid articles. Windows 8 sold something like 40 million copies already. Yes Windows 8 PC sales are down - all pc sales are down. People just don't replace them like they used to, computers got to the "fast enough" point for most people 5 years ago.

Yeah I read that article at ZDnet

But A Microsoft spokesperson said the 40 million licenses sold accounts for all sales, including those to OEMs and other partners. It?s fair to assume then that quite a few of these licenses haven?t actually found their way to users yet.

One thing is that it is here to stay either way, it just depends if you, me or who needs or wants it, won't have a choice if a new laptop is purchased.
 

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beardeddone

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Sort of - it depends on how you read the product announcement for Blue. I think that with the Blue announcement they are shooting themselves in the foot for Win8 dev and sales.
Windows Blue is Microsoft's future low-cost OS with yearly updates | The Verge

Yeah it depends on how that is read or interpreted that info right now up in the air and seems to be more to confuse the issue and I didn't quite understand why it was an issue if it really is, either way Microsoft will call the shots if they can even agree which way to go or both..We'll see..
 
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