Who knows the 485 alum block?

twin485

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Like to get some info or links to this engine. Got some problems with a trim pump as well. 1981 is the year boat is a chris craft scropion 23'. Trim pump is old style metal resevoir 3 wire motor single solenoid reverse interloc switch i assume these drives are alpha gen 1 serial is 5719864/63 twins one side works ok the other side comes up ok but going down it stops 3/4 way down and you can put your foot on it and push it down if your buddy holds the button. Will have more info has it comes available. Sorry if i posted this question twice, new user trying to find my way around.
 

loadnet

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Re: Who knows the 485 alum block?

Someone had a similar problem with the unit not wanting to go down and the conclusion was the outdrive itself was hanging up..<br /><br />You can disconnect the cylinders of the one that doesn't want to go down and see if it lifts up and down by hand no problem.. <br /><br />If it does you may want to think about replacing the pump..<br /><br />May have weak pressure..<br /><br />This is assuming you have already topped off the fluid level with the cylinders all the way collapsed.<br /><br />PB
 

twin485

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Re: Who knows the 485 alum block?

Thanks Captain Hooknfinger. Haven't had time to get back at fixing problem yet but will try suggestion when i do. Forgot to mention that boat had sat for a long time. Oil in resevoir had gotten milky. Drained but possible all moisture has not been removed. Do you suggest running oil through till clean or remove system pump, cylinders and lines and flush clean all.<br /> Still like some info on motors and drives if any ones available.<br /><br />Thanks again.
 

bomar76

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Re: Who knows the 485 alum block?

Posted on another site by another user:<br /><br />Flushing trim fluid<br />--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br />originally posted by Iggy<br />Man-O-man, are you in for a fun time. <br />I had a cylinder hose leak that allowed water into the system this spring. Flushing the system took me about 3 hours. <br /><br />What you have to do is this: <br />1) pick up about 4 quarts of the proper fluid for your system and a gallon of mineral spirits. Stop at a home center and pick up two bolts, 3/8-24 (I think) by 1in long. Rig up a two way switch and attach it to the pump solenoids, so you can run the trim system from the ground, unless you're lucky enough to have a transom switch or else you'll need a helper to man the switch from the cockpit. <br /><br />2) remove as much of the contaminated fluid from the reservoir as possible. <br /><br />3) refill reservoir with a 25/75 mix of oil and mineral spirits (oil-25, spirits-75). Don't attempt to run straight solvent, pump will seize. I almost did that to mine. <br /><br />4) starting with the drive all the way down, disconnect the two hydraulic lines that feed the far (aft end or trim in/down) end of the trim cylinders from the base of the drive system and install the two bolts finger tight. These bolts stop air from entering the system from the disconneced lines when you run the pump. <br /><br />5) hold the two disconnected hoses over a drain pan and trim the drive all the way up, trailer height. The fluid should be forced out the hoses that you are holding. <br /><br />6) when the drive is all the way up, stop, remove the two bolts, reconnect the two hoses, disconnect the other two, install the two bolts in those holes and run the trim all the way down, holding the hoses over the pan. <br /><br />DON'T FORGET TO CHECK THE OIL LEVEL! <br />Refill with 25/75 mix. <br /><br />7) repeate this process until you flush out all the milky oil. <br /><br />WATCH YOUR OIL LEVEL! <br /><br />8) remove what oil and solvent you can from the reservoir and refill with straight oil and flush the cylinders as before until you are sure you have flushed out as much of the solvent as possible. <br /><br />WATCH YOUR OIL LEVEL! <br /><br />Check for leaks and you should be done. If you managed to get some air in the system, don't worry, it will bleed itself out. <br />I know it's messy, but this is the best way I could see to do it. I'll be damned if I'll pay someone to do this. <br />If someone else has a better idea, pass it on.
 

twin485

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Re: Who knows the 485 alum block?

Thanks bomar76. Looks like this might be the job for tommorow if all goes well with the impeller replacement. My other boat has a model 2 drive so i'm more familliar with oil only in outdrive. I'm not so sure how they seperate exaust,water and oil in the same unit but i'm sure i'll find out soon. Got the Clymer to look at. Just tore down the model 2 and replaced all the bearings. This is 1969 drive not many parts available but i matched oem numbers to Timken bearings and she was motoring the next weekend. Thanks again captain.<br /><br />ps Any old 1.33/1 Model 2 Mercruiser owners out there? :)
 

bomar76

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Re: Who knows the 485 alum block?

Glad I could help.<br />I have done this on our boat and it does take a while. Don't forget to round up the 2 fine thread bolts while you are picking up the oil (actually I use ATF) and mineral spirits.<br />Good Luck!
 

twin485

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Re: Who knows the 485 alum block?

Well, didn't get to trim pump today, impellers took a lot longer than expected. First drive had a melted hole above impeller for the drive shaft to past through and the local parts guy only had one kit in stock. The second drive had a melted guide hole and the last DIYer who had it apart put the gasket on the lower pump housing wrong and covered 3/4 of the inlet hole. The water tube guide got so hot it melted and ran down on to the pump housing. Gasket could fit both ways but the cutout was only on one side. Pretty hard to miss this one but something to watch for novices. Seals in the kit were for a 1 1/8 shaft(another trip to the parts store) mine is a 7/8 shaft. I think someone packed the kit wrong. Well better luck on the kit i had to order for tuesday.<br /><br />Thanks again Captain.<br /><br />Ps Have you ever saw a Model 2 drive with the shifting done at the top where the output shaft comes into the drive. It is sure a lot easier to pump in 30 ounces than 5 quarts, i have to fill up the whole drive on the old 2. This boat has a sea water pick-up pump and through hull exhaust.<br />instead of the drive bolting on from the rear it is has a round gimble sleeve threaded that goes in the boat and a ring screws on to hold it in place. Not a very common drive around these parts nobody knows the thing at all.<br /><br />Thanks.
 
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