Who wants to be the first to apologize.

POINTER94

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Was it Cheney? NO
Was it Bush? NO
Rumsfeld? NO
Libby? NO
Vast Right Wing Conspiracy? NO

Traitor?, Treason?, Frog March?, Liars?, Mean Spirited?, Most corrupt administration ever?, Political payback?, Coverup?, All irresponsibly throw around....

Try Colin Powell and Richard Armitage.

Contrition is good for the soul.....:love:


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14533384/site/newsweek/
 

POINTER94

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Re: Who wants to be the first to apologize.

Sorry, check the link.
 

ricksrster

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They speak and don't realize what they are saying. Then try to blame someone else.
 

rodbolt

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lots of words, did not say much nor did it address and lying to any grandjuries. nor did it address if Armitage was in a position to actually have knowledge of plames work.
kmowing it in general terms and actually being in a position to confirm or deny is a vastly different animal.
even when my dad died in 04 there were general knowledge things about the USS Enterprise he could not disscuss even though the encyclopedia brittanica had color overlays and you can look up most on the net. however as he was involved in the design,contruction and a few refueling's he could neither confim nor deny the accuracy of public information. he was never debriefed nor autherized.
there is a lot I can tell you about the CIWS base1 block 1 but I cant discuss it even though Janes thoughrouly describes it.
its still technically clssified and If I saw it I can be busted.
 

alden135

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I'm sure this will get twisted around so as to be Bush's fault..........

somehow.
 

rodbolt

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I dont know whose fault it is, but I do underestand handling classifeid information and the controls on it.
does not matter if 1 person or 50 outed an agent, only those with the actual knowledge of the agents status can be held accountable and it does not matter who or when the outing took place until the offical release from classified status is made. usually in a written debrief.
 

Haut Medoc

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There has to be a patsy, the real guys responsible ain't gonna take the fall......
What's up with Al-Media covering for Dumbya, anyway? :%
This is a disturbing trend to say the least........JK
 

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Re: Who wants to be the first to apologize.

Haut said:
There has to be a patsy, the real guys responsible ain't gonna take the fall......
What's up with Al-Media covering for Dumbya, anyway? :%
This is a disturbing trend to say the least........JK

Tin foil time -- That's pure Dale Gribble consperacy theory, Haut.


As for the media helping Bush: You must actually realize that the media would NEVER help Bush with anything, much less, protect national security. They would use any such information as an "exclusive" yesterday.


Rodbolt, in all fairness, you actually have been a sane voice from the left on this issue on-forum. I've just been searching old content, and you and I took siimular stands -- we just hoped for opposite results I think.
But you repeatedly said (paraphrasing), "All that matters is the judgement in the end".
 

rodbolt

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Re: Who wants to be the first to apologize.

only result I am looking for is the truth.
dont care who or what it embaresses.
not my problem.
if some one does not wished to be embaressed dont do anything embaressing.
thats what my preacher taught us.
last time I looked some 2500 had been released from GITMO, some had been detained as long as 4 years with no charges nor trials. seems they had done nothing wrong.
they were given 30 dollars and a plane ride.
how hard would you howl if say great britian nabbed you,transported you to french guyana and held you for 4 years then gave ya 30 bucks a ticket and a sorry better luck next time?
unlike quite a few that post here I wish the laws to be respected, its very possible to combat terror AND respect the laws this great country was founded on.
and I am not from the left
ya got it all wrong, I most likly am more right than you. I just want the facts reguadlesss of what idiot gets embaressed.
next time your playing ask 10 people to name any two adjoining countries of Iraq,Isreal and Iran, 8 out of ten cant do it, then ask what 2 countries adjoin canada and mexico. half cant.
then ask anyone about the CIA involvement in training,equipping and financing alqueda and various other groups in the name of oil from the mideast.
most never read about it, does not mean it did not happen though.

loike Bush says, mistakes were made, all I demand is the mistakes get rectified.
so far there has been NO hint at rectification and every indication more mistakes will be made.
 

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All that is real nice rodbolt, but the issue is who leaked Plames name? It was demanded that this person be FROG MARCHED to jail. It was stated as fact that it was Cheney, and Rove. It was stated as fact that Bush did this for political gain. It was stated as fact that Plames position was "UNDER COVER" and the MSM ran wild with false stories written by Joe Wilson, that the Bush admininstration did this.

INNOCENT MENS GOOD NAMES WERE RUN THREW THE MUD. Now when the facts are really coming out here comes the rationalizations. Fact, the leak came from an outspoken critic of the administration. Fact, that person did not speak up while others were being indicted. Fact, the Bush administration took weeks of hits on the front page of every mainstream outlet and nary a word when the facts come out. Fact, irresponsible statements from the left regarding this leak were levied at length on TV, in every newspaper, on radio and here on this board and yet when the facts come out some think that talking about gitmo is somehow relavent. It isn't. Fact, democrats acted in a dispicable manner for a protracted period of time trying to bring down Bush regardless of outcome or actual facts. In fact Powell was used as an example of a paragon of virtue during this affair, and the facts show he knew what was going on and said nothing while our government was made to look inept and vicious. We had threads that exceeded 100 posts decrying how "dirty" the administration was. Well guess what, it wasn't the administration, it was a left leaning critic of the administration who was responsible and they didn't have the guts to admit their mistakes.

I guess if you want mistakes rectified, we should frog march Powell and Armitage to jail and put their faces on the front of the NYT for a couple of months and have Joe Wilson write a little lie packed rant in the editorial page about how his life was made miserable and how his wife was in fear for her life based on the irresponsible actions of these men. I guess it would be important to point out how lil nancy and dingy harry, and war hero john all tried to take non facts and used it for political benefit regardless how it makes our country look in a time of war. How exactly did this help the troops?

What I see here is just another story along the lines of flushing Korans down the toilet. An entire story made up without checking facts and guilt based on inuendo. Now when the facts do come out there seems to be lots of people you can spread the blame over. But the fact is there isn't. The blame lies in the shallow, politically motivated or stupidity in persons who oppose this adminstration and did nothing when millions and millions of dollars were spent to get to a truth they knew all along. This is a perfect example of how the modern left wing operates. WHERE ARE THE APOLOGIES FOR THE LIES AND FALSE ACCUSATIONS? It is clear who acted like diplomats and in the best interest of our country by not casting blame for political gain.

Thank you Mr Bush and Mr Rove, and Mr. Cheney for acting in the best interest of our country even when it hurt you and your party. They showed remarkable restraint now that the facts are coming out. And yet not even a word on the 6 oclock news. Pathetic. The Bush administration has done many things to make me question my vote for them, but one of those reason they got my vote was to restored dignity to the Presidency. And this entire fiasco reinforces that my vote was correct. Maturity in the face of politics, while weaker minded types spew lies and inuendo for personal gain these men took the heat. That tells me alittle about our President. Something honorable. It also says something about those who won't admit they were dupped and bought into the lies and tried in every way to gain advantage regardless of what it did to the country, their honor (or lack there of). This is just another story of the weakness of the modern democratic party.

I have watched most of the major news outlets tonight, and not one interview with Joe Wilson (I want to see Rove Frog Marched). Where are the apologies?
 

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Plame was not an agent in the first place. BTW who leaked the info on the terrorist wiretapping. Wheres the outrage on something far more damaging.
 

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I agree rogerwa. She never was undercover, but in order to get the full effect of the lies, some insisted that she was. And the American Public was dupped. There never was a scandal, but there are those who would never miss a golden opportunity to trash our government, regardless if little things like facts get in the way.
 

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Well put Pointer!!!! They just hate it when the truth comes out.
Your right, it will never make the drive by media, and if it does it will be blip for a few seconds and it will be gone.
There will never be an apology from the left.
 

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" the American Public was dupped. There never was a scandal, but there are those who would never miss a golden opportunity to trash our government, regardless if little things like facts get in the way."

The General public will always be duped, the Democrats and Republicans have always played the game this way, the news media outlets plays along to boost their ratings and that transalates into mega bucks.
The Valerie Plame story was a non event from day one, hype, hype, hype, the same as the Whitewater fishing expedition.
Mmm! Lets see what else is there to smoke the mirrors with? ,,,tune in on November 8th for the next episode of voting for Jackasses and Elephants.
Its guaranteed to be better than sex.Taxpayer you may leave your money on the table or the nightstand, you do not get screwed for free.
 

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Re: Who wants to be the first to apologize.

Hmmm... Let's see.

Rove admitted he talked to Novak and Cooper re Plame

Libby is indicted for obstruction regarding his conversations with Judith Miller re Plame. He remains indicted.

The point that they perhaps weren't the first to implicate Plame does not absolve them of guilt or leaking. If anything it only reinforces the notion that they are after all, incompetent, among everything else.

I think I'll withhold any apology for now.
 

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rodbolt said:
last time I looked some 2500 had been released from GITMO, some had been detained as long as 4 years with no charges nor trials. seems they had done nothing wrong.
they were given 30 dollars and a plane ride.
how hard would you howl if say great britian nabbed you,transported you to french guyana and held you for 4 years then gave ya 30 bucks a ticket and a sorry better luck next time?
unlike quite a few that post here I wish the laws to be respected, its very possible to combat terror AND respect the laws this great country was founded on.

According to International law formalized in the Geneva Convention and thus US law via ratification of that treaty the people interned at GITMO were un-uniformed enemy combatants and were thus to be treated as spies. According to the convention they have no rights and could be killed or not at the capturing country's pleasure.

If Britain had nabbed me while I was in combat against them and not wearing a uniform I'd have nothing to complain about. I'd be guilty of being a spy under international laws covering warfare and could be shot. I'd be guilty.

If they had nabbed me while I was in uniform that's an entirely different story..

These terrorists that we released are very, very lucky to be alive. Fortunately for them these United States are far more merciful than is good for us to be sometimes.
 

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You expect me to believe that liberal media BS?
d:)

Since when did you begin getting your news from libs. Interesting, to say the least. Maybe it's only lib BS when you disagree with it.d:)

I am with PW2 on this.
 

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[colour=Red][/colour] Don't beilive it!!! We have been told that the media is totally biased, that's what Cheech Limbaugh and a lot of people hear have led us to beilive. No wait it's all made up , it's more BS from the right wing media. It's problemally all forged documents again, all those crooks in the white house are all guilty and Bush lies isn't that what the right wing media told us...... so why beilve this one
 
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