Who wants to be the first to apologize.

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BLU said:
[colour=Red][/colour] Don't beilive it!!! We have been told that the media is totally biased, that's what Cheech Limbaugh and a lot of people hear have led us to beilive. No wait it's all made up , it's more BS from the right wing media. It's problemally all forged documents again, all those crooks in the white house are all guilty and Bush lies isn't that what the right wing media told us...... so why beilve this one
Since when did the right wing anything accuse Libbey, Rove, or Bolten? Now that your droogies have been caught with their pants down (like they did with forged documents), you want to blame a "vast right-wing consperacy". Dale gribble tin-foil ted kennedy testimony type tripe, ,man!
Try to unscrew your bias for two seconds.



 

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john o
thats the problem, they were found not to be anything other than a guy on the way to work, yet were held for 4 years.
most were known to just be innocent shopkeepers,goat hearders and barbers and such not long after they were detained. yet were held 4 years.
thats what part irks me, if they got caught taking arms against anyone in the field then you can nab them. but most were hearded up on a neighbors or competitors or someone that was vengefuls word.
goes back to general incompetence going in and most all that had any military training knew it.
next war we can drop pamphets requiring all terrosits to tattoo a T on their heads.
as far as the plame thing it was mostly a non event yet the president did say she was an undercover agent and the CIA said the same, she also had a black passport.
but as the presidents own Lawyer was notified armitage's comments must have been a non issue.
maybe Armitage was not in a position to actually have confirming knowledge of a CIA agents employment. if he did not he can say anything he wish's and its not outing.
oh, I think that lawyer is now the attorney general. so if its anyones fault for not setting it straight why hot include Gonzales? may have saved a lot of taxdollars.
my only concern is apperently a grand jury found some folks rather loose with the truth and obstructin of justice.

But John o
in typical right wing fashion grossly failed to answer a simple question. I said nothing about being a terrorist nor military. I said if ya got nabbed.
I worry about it some when I travel to Venezuela as I carry a retired USN ID card along with my passport. on that flimsy evidence I could be held as a spy. some of the Iraqis were held on evidence more flimsy than that.
I wonder if they will return to their brothers,mothers fathers and kids with wonderful tales of how nice the US is ?
or did we create yet another generation that hates the west ?
 

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12,

You are asking someone to unscrew their bias? d:)d:)d:)

Good one.d:)d:)d:)
 

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I am not biased, I think they are al a bunch of pocket padding crooks.
best thing could happen is 2 terms per lifetime in the house and senate with NO retirement packages.
wonder how many would have more than 1 life :)
I bet the pig trough would have extra room.
 

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rodbolt said:
john o
thats the problem, they were found not to be anything other than a guy on the way to work, yet were held for 4 years.
most were known to just be innocent shopkeepers,goat hearders and barbers and such not long after they were detained. yet were held 4 years. thats what part irks me, if they got caught taking arms against anyone in the field then you can nab them. but most were hearded up on a neighbors or competitors or someone that was vengefuls word.
goes back to general incompetence going in and most all that had any military training knew it.

I'd not heard that reported by anyone reputable. If the main stream media said it then it's most probably a lie. (Obviously I don't trust the leftist media). In any event these people are islamic and thus part of the problem. Islam is the enemy in this war.

But John o
in typical right wing fashion grossly failed to answer a simple question. I said nothing about being a terrorist nor military. I said if ya got nabbed.

Please read what I posted again. I answered both sides of that question.


I wonder if they will return to their brothers,mothers fathers and kids with wonderful tales of how nice the US is ?
or did we create yet another generation that hates the west ?

Nothing we do will make them love us or hate us. Their religion COMMANDS them to hate us. Read the koran and the hadith, they have no choice but to fight against us. Islam truly is the enemy
 

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But John o
in typical right wing fashion grossly failed to answer a simple question. I said nothing about being a terrorist nor military. I said if ya got nabbed.

Let me add something to my previous post just in case it's not as clear to the rest of the world as it is to me.

I have no reason whatsoever to be fighting against Britain. Therefore they'd have no reason to nab me if I wasn't actively fighting against them. Not even the slightest trace of suspician as long as I was abiding by their laws. A moslem, however, has a command from his religion to fight against all non-moslems. They are, by command of their religion, the self-proclaimed enemies of civilization.


Even in a war zone, If I were not actively engaged against them and was not in uniform they'd have no reason to nab me. In a war zone involving civilized forces every moslem must be considered an enemy BECAUSE their own religion commands them to be.
 

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12,

You are asking someone to unscrew their bias? d:)d:)d:)

Good one.d:)d:)d:)
Yes i am, CJY.. I think it would help a great deal if you would take an HONEST look at what me and some others call "media bias". I won't deny my own bias for conservative values, and even media sources like FOX news, or The right wing blogs I trust, being biased. But to pretend that YOUR sources are pristine, innocent news reporters is a joke that nightly, spirals into the sewer like a flushed toilet.
To continually ignore the repetitive evidence is very telling, my friend.




 

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john O had they actually been terrorist they would still reside in a compound with those that are known to be.

and ya still aint answeed it.
its a fairly simple question ,hypothetical of course and mostly required a yes or no.

yes we made a lot of mistakes, Bush says so, however not many have been corrected,most excacerbated and the mistake makers got medals instead of pink slips.

thats the biggest beef I have.
I dont recall making any mention of you being a terrorist,in uniform or at war with the british. were di ya come out of right field with that ?
just as you have no reason to fight the british most the 2500 or so that spent almost 4 years in detention were not fighting either.
they were trying to work and feed their family's.
or is it the entire arab world that we are fighting and is fighting us?
maybe I missed a part of Fox news.
as far as Islam being the enemy your misguided.
while I fear the radical fringe islamists I hold the same fear of fundamental babtists and a few other christian groups.
 

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rodbolt said:
john O had they actually been terrorist they would still reside in a compound with those that are known to be.

So what's the problem? We figured out they weren't active terrorists and let them go.


and ya still aint answeed it.
its a fairly simple question ,hypothetical of course and mostly required a yes or no.

actually it's an incredibly complex question whose answer depends almost entirely on the circumstances. "how hard would you howl if say great britian nabbed you,transported you to french guyana and held you for 4 years then gave ya 30 bucks a ticket and a sorry better luck next time?"

well it depends on the circumstances. Am I in a war zone? Am I in uniform, Am I fighting against them? Am I a member of a group whose sworn purpose in life is to see them destroyed? All of these have to be accounted for. That's why I tried to answer the way I did. It's not black and white.

Which is why civilians should always stay out of war zones or areas declared hazardous by the State Department. People who travel into say palestinian areas and get nabbed are pretty much getting exactly what they asked for. Don't go into the lion's den unless you're there to kill the lion or get killed by it.

I dont recall making any mention of you being a terrorist,in uniform or at war with the british. were di ya come out of right field with that ?

These are the underlying issues with your question that must be resolved before the question can be answered. Where was I. What was I doing, what other circumstances exist. See above.


just as you have no reason to fight the british most the 2500 or so that spent almost 4 years in detention were not fighting either.
they were trying to work and feed their family's.
or is it the entire arab world that we are fighting and is fighting us?

Actually they do have a reason to fight against us. Their religion commands it. The question is whether or not they were doing so at the time and whether they know anything about others who were doing so.

We are fighting not just the arab world, but the entire moslem one. They've been fighting us for years. We just started fighting back.

as far as Islam being the enemy your misguided.

read the koran, read the hadith, read the history of the twentieth century. If you have any intelligence and any honesty at all you'll come to the conclusion that islam is the enemy. They are commanded by their religion to kill us (or forcibly convert us or enslave us which is all the same to me). They made themselves the enemy.


while I fear the radical fringe islamists I hold the same fear of fundamental babtists and a few other christian groups.

the difference is that Southern baptists et al are not commanded by their religion to kill you. They may consider you a heathen and want nothing to do with you, they may evangelize you and leave tracts on your door, but they will also leave your head on your shoulders. The moslems are all to happy to behead you if you don't convert. They are COMMANDED to do so.

Islam is the enemy and the war ends with the death of the last moslem. (or the death of the last non-moslem but I chosoe to believe we'll wake up enough before it gets to that point)
 

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12,

I simply find it amusing for you, a person that I have never seen anything but right wing propaganda come from, ask another person to not be biased in their views.

In other words, in your opinion, they should try to see things your way......the unbiased source.

Good one.
 

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12F'r, it looks to me like you are over 'here' fighting a two front battle?:devil:
 

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12,

I simply find it amusing for you, a person that I have never seen anything but right wing propaganda come from, ask another person to not be biased in their views.
"So I'm funny? Funny how? You mean I amuse you? I'm here for your amusment?" I'm glad you liked it.
CJY said:
In other words, in your opinion, they should try to see things your way......the unbiased source.

Good one.
Yes.
Yes, they should.
(And yes, Boomyal), I am on a mission :)
And I can multitask when required. :)

CJY, Seeing how the left wing is feverishly attempting to sell out my country, and to foment revolution and socialist control of the masses, yes. They should definitely listen to me.... And I'll not rest while you and your ilk devour the remnants of freedom in your zeal to bring down one administration.

I happen to whole-heartedly believe your left wing crossed a vital and irreversable line in 2004 -- from "dissent", into raw anti-American support, REGARDLESS of where it eventually leads the country. And thru your kook-fringe's complete absorbtion into and CONTROL of the democrat party with it's collective-blessing, their investment in defeat has patriots commited to defense.
You offend, I will defend. That is to say, I will do whatever it takes to conserve what remains of a tattered constitution and a shredded society.

I never claimed to be "an inbiased source", and I have no clue how you came to that stretch... MOF, it prooves you do not read any further than required to insert what you assume , is the proper generic response!
(by the way -- Where do you get those? "Daily cos"? "Moveon"? Cindy?) wierd!

On the contrary, I'm am heavilly-biased.
I hold my own fair share of prejudices, just like you and everyone else. Yet, the difference between you and I is, that I will not lie about them. Ask, and I'll tell you EXACTLY how I side on any issue, as opposed to "what I need to project at any given time" in order to sell my anti-American bilge.


Therefore, I reserve the right to my own biases, prejudices, hatered, likes and dislikes and allegiances. To assume that simply because you specialise in propaganda for my enemy, yours is "the way, the truth, and the light", is absurd. You will loose this war.

And not that I got it -- but to be painfully-honest, I didn't expect one appology from the membership on the left ,or any enemy operatives online. So, it is good to be able to bring this fact into the light of day. Thank you for prompting it of me -- While you expose your treason by your own pen.... It is a pleasant side-effect to a VERY telling thread!!!

 

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I absolutely know you are not unbiased? How did I come to that? I read your posts. You attempt to explain the difference between you and I. You say the difference is that I lie? Show me where! I have never hedged on any issue I have chosen to discuss. If you want to explain diffs, great! Be accurate though.

Here is a difference between you and I 12. I say bring our troups home from Iraq, enough have died to no avail since Hussein has been captured.You believe troups should continue to die, yet, like our politicians, won't strap one on and head East.

I also find it interesting that you claim a right to being biased, yet you scream and moan when others are biased. Why is that? Nobody else but 12 can be biased...hmmm. Is that what you believe the fighting is over?

12 said;

"You offend, I will defend. That is to say, I will do whatever it takes to conserve what remains of a tattered constitution and a shredded society.

You will defend, how so? Are you fighting in Iraq? You sit behind your computer spewing propaganda that has no meaning. You do the same as W and all the other politicians that will not go over to fight for W's cause. You are not defending anything.

Yes, yes, yes, you are very funny indeed. You do amuse me very much. You are here for my amusement whether you like it or not. You and your "ilk" are very amusing in your attempt to hang onto power. You and your "ilk" must be feeling it slip through your bloody hands. The hands that have killed 1000's of Americans in an Iraqi war that cannot be won.


You are an excellent follower 12. You have the "do as I say, and not as I do," republican/conservative attitude down to an art.

12 said;

"That is to say, I will do whatever it takes to conserve what remains of a tattered constitution and a shredded society."

No you won't. You will only talk the part.
 

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I absolutely know you are not unbiased? How did I come to that? I read your posts.
That is incorrect. You obviosly have NOT "read" my posts, or you'dd know you were lying.Perhaps you know but there is a voice inside yer head still singing "moveon"! Or perhaps you have a word transposed in there some place?

I present a definition of the word,"unbiased";
free from bias; especially : free from all prejudice and favoritism : eminently fair
2 : having an expected value equal to a population parameter being estimated *an unbiased estimate of the population mean*


I told you;
me said:
"I think it would help a great deal if you would take an HONEST look at what me and some others call "media bias". I won't deny my own bias for conservative values
And this;
ME said:
On the contrary, I'm am heavilly-biased.
I hold my own fair share of prejudices, just like you and everyone else. Yet, the difference between you and I is, that I will not lie about them
Yet ,you claim to have "read my posts"? ummm... right.

CJY said:
You attempt to explain the difference between you and I. You say the difference is that I lie? Show me where!
see the very first quote above, CJY, because you lied about that. This derailment will not be large enpough to hold the lies of you and your droogies in office, who are on offense, trying to tear-down this nation.You are a pot calling the kettle black, and are so blinded by rage and guilt, that you seem to read,yet not comprehend. odd, for sure!

Your cult has chosen to overlook attacks on sovereign US soil.. You choose to seperate their behavior from this war,as in beheading truck drivers --- while calling our troops "torturers" and worse!!! sick!!
Your representatives' shamelessly attacks upon this country and it's official resolve are now matters of historic fact. Sandy Burglar didn't quite clean-out the ENTIRE archive in his socks..
Their assaults on this country, while speaking as "reprentatives" of it are sickening!!! No, it's nothing new from you guys. EXample: John Kerry's speech April22,1971;
John fn Kerry said:
They told the stories at times they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam in addition to the normal ravage of war, and the normal and very particular ravaging which is done by the applied bombing power of this country.
Today, you and your droogies in office continue to deny your anti-American bias, while spewing this;
CJY said:
You will defend, how so? Are you fighting in Iraq? You sit behind your computer spewing propaganda that has no meaning. You do the same as W and all the other politicians that will not go over to fight for W's cause. You are not defending anything.
You and your cult are poisoning a nation, and blaming the defenders. It is here for you to read and vett against official record. But I know you wont, because You can't seem to even comprehend a two-paragraph, biased-to-the-right post without your eyes glazing-over and hearing that "moveon" song in your head -- like a rat to the pied piper.

Oh,no --- You don't have any bias. You hold no prejudice against America, or it's fighting force..

Yet you try to deflect your own guilt towards those who defend America, while claiming this ALL-VOLUNTEER force, 85% of which, signed-on after 9/11/01 to do the dying you now claim as your cause to prevent!!! I know for sure, you didn't (nor do you have the nerve to) ask THESE soldiers who are now serving.
As for my "talking" and not being in Iraq, CHILDISH and EXPECTED from the likes of you.... I did my heavy-lifting while kerry was making his putrid speech calling me a baby-killer... "Talking" (albeit, keyboarding), is all they'll allow a 55year old do. So yeppers...You can bet your man-purse, I'll continue thankyouverymuch!
You will lose this war, as you will hopefully-lose your representation in American government. I have said my peace here. Debating with the prejudice/bias of the left or it's islamic allies is a pointless escersise after finding yourself responding to a sheet of particle board a second or third time.
 

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Fitzgerald now underfire to wrap up. What a waste. At least Whitewater brought about multiple convictions, including the Governor of Arkansas.
 

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12,

I would like to discuss this with you, but I fail to understand all the BS rhetoric you tend to display.

One definition of rhetoric: Language that is elaborate, pretentious, insincere, or intellectually vacuous.

Instead, I will only laugh as you continue to humor me.

You and your "ilk" will surely destroy our nation, 12. You and your "ilk" continue to send dead soldiers home from Iraq for what reason? You and your "ilk" simply keep soldiers in Iraq as a justification. A justification for all the death that has come home from Iraq. W knows Iraq is hopeless, but won't pull out because of the scrutiny that would come from waiting this long. He is "staying the course." The course of death without reason. He has said this is the next President's problem.

You 12, are the terrorist ally. You are willing to put soldiers in harms way with no plan or tactics to win and save American lives. It is you and your "ilk" 12, that is making things so easy on the terrorist. You simply follow W and his plan to sit back and wait until this becomes the next President's problem. I will not sit back. Too many are dying for no reason.

Go back to your last post and read your very first quote of mine. I said you are "not unbiased." Therefore, you are biased. Please read and understand my posts. You went on to try to tell me you were biased with several of your own quotes. Well 12, I never denied that. In fact, my first quote you posted acknowledges your bias.

12, you said;

"ALL-VOLUNTEER force, 85% of which, signed-on after 9/11/01 to do the dying you now claim as your cause to prevent!!! "

Those that signed on after 9/11 did not sign up to die 12. That is what suicide bombers do. Suicide bombers sign up to die. Fundamentally, your attitude is that of a terrorist with that statement. US soldiers enlist to fight terrorist, not die at the hands of you and your "ilk". There is a difference, but you don't see it. When you wiggle your ears 12, does that make W giggle?
 

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You simply follow W and his plan to sit back and wait until this becomes the next President's problem.
Seems that is what Slick Willy did to W

US soldiers enlist to fight terrorist, not die at the hands of you and your "ilk".

Yes they have many differnet reasons for joining the military, but their primaryJOB is to fight. Not be a cook, sulppy sgt or what ever their MOS is. They go through Basic training, all of them.
If they are unlucky enough to be in the service when a War happens, they do what is asked of them. They don't whine and cry about it (the majority of them don't anyway), they do what needs to be done. They are not brainwashed or stupid, They are the brightest group of poeple you'll ever meet.
It is a shame that some have to die so the rest of us can have our freedoms, but is the way it is. That is the way you deal with these animals.
How would you fight terrorists CJY? What would your plan be? Have tea and crumpits with them and the UN?
Just my rant!
 

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Eric,

It's simple. I would not begin by rebuilding Iraq at the moment. Do you believe rebuilding Iraq is fighting terrorism in the best possible way? Rebuilding Iraq did not help us find the most recent plots coming out of Great Britain. Furthermore, Iraq cannot and will not be rebuilt until the violence stops. We are powerless to stop it.

I would go on the offensive. I would find them and blow the he77 out of them. My first priority would be OBL. As it stands, W has stated he is not even concerned with him. A huge mistake in my opinion. Every available soldier, including those in Iraq, should be scouring every cave, sewer, or Mediterranean beach until he is found dead.

Bottom line, again in my opinion; we need to put more effort into finding OBL and less effort into standing around waiting for suicide bombers to get our soldiers in Iraq.

Eric, are you trying to tell me our only 2 alternatives to fighting terrorism are 1. rebuild Iraq or 2. tea and crumpets? Perhaps you need W to tell you of other alternatives. That is, if there are any. Following blindly will always keep you in the dark.


As far as the UN goes, if we are not going to follow them, why exactly are we a part of them?
 

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Eric said;

"Seems that is what Slick Willy did to W."

Nice, two wrongs make a right in your book. I am glad you are not strategizing the war on terror. First of all, I do not care at the moment what Clinton did. You see, that is history and being critical of Clinton will not help our future. History is something to be learned from. Clinton was wrong for not getting OBL. Histroy has shown us that. W is fefusing to learn from past mistakes. That makes him an even bigger idiot.
 
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