Who's for raising taxes?

bootle

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The war in Iraq and Afganistan is being financed by whom? ..surely not by the treasury, or is it?<br /><br />Perhaps this is a question that no proud American ought to ask or concern themselves with.<br />Well, i'm not one to let pride stand in the way reason.<br /><br />So far we the people have not been asked to make any of the kind of sacrifices as our parents and their parents have made in the building and protecting of this country, at present that burden falls on the families of our young men and women in uniform.<br /><br />A war with Iran will be like opening a pandora's box many times the size of Iraq, what sacrifice are you as a patriotic American will be making in support of your country if we do indeed enter into another war?
 

rwise

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is it really another war, or just the next step in the one that is allready<br /><br />we CANNOT pullout for then they will come here. They wanted to fight us, better to do it there!<br /><br />just my $.02,,,,,,,,,,
 

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So far it looks like any war with Iran will be a UN war, not just a USA war or a NATO war.<br /><br />WWII was financed by borrowing ("savings", "Victory" and "War" bonds) and by up to 97% income tax.<br /><br />BOOO on such taxation!! Wiped out many an enterpreneur (sp?).<br /><br />BUT:<br /><br />Victory bonds and war bonds could do now what they did then. . . provide secure savings for citizens and provide the money to prosecute the war. The savings through purchase of savings stamps and conversion of those to bonds or outright purchase of the bonds provided the capital for the prosperity of the 50s and security for aging veterans and their families.<br /><br />Yes. I am willing to move most of my capital that is left to War On Terror bonds. I am willing to serve in whatever way I could, like my parents generation served. I served then by collecting scrap, buying savings stamps and helping out in Bond drives.<br /><br />I think Americans need to get involved in this war, rather than whining about it. If we were involved to the extent that the greatest generation was we would win it hands down, united and successful.
 

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Ready, willing, and able. If called to duty (35 yrs old, married, 2 kids) I will go no problem.<br /><br />I can't help much financially for reasons stated above.<br /><br />The biggest question everyone should ask is, are you ready for 5 dollar/gal gas? Will you be able to car pool/conserve as there might be rationing involved.<br /><br />Ken
 

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"I think Americans need to get involved in this war, rather than whining about it. If we were involved to the extent that the greatest generation was we would win it hands down, united and successful."<br /><br />Sounds like you may be saying we have not won, as W proclaimed long ago. It also sounds as though you are pointing a finger at all but W. Just my 2 cents.
 

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JB, the bonds to finance WWII were embedded in an economy whose currency was backed by gold. Reference the "silver certificate" dollar as an exception. It's different now. You'd do better not to invest in any fiscal instrument tied to the US dollar. <br /><br />Regardless of any claims, there can be no guarantee of return on the principle if the gov’t gets their hands on it. Keep in mind that HilLIARy wanted/tried to abscond with 25% of ALL retirement funds. Her ilk wouldn’t hesitate to drop any commitment to repay all of the principle on private investments in the Fed gov’t.<br /><br />Nope. Wouldn’t do it.
 

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Forget how we'd finance the war in Iran.<br /><br />We'd have to reinstitute the draft, and that would be a tough sell in this day and age, I think, unless there is some sort of compelling real threat associated with it
 

bootle

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Originally posted by JB:<br /> So far it looks like any war with Iran will be a UN war, not just a USA war or a NATO war.<br />
It will only be a UN mandated war if we are successful in getting the Russians and Chinese on board, no signs on the horizon of that happening to date.
 

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Why do you always ask hard working people to part with their $$. Time to demand the free-loaders to pony up.
 

bootle

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Originally posted by JB:<br /> <br />I think Americans need to get involved in this war, rather than whining about it. If we were involved to the extent that the greatest generation was we would win it hands down, united and successful.
I totally agree with you on this.
 

bootle

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Originally posted by KaGee:<br /> Why do you always ask hard working people to part with their $$. Time to demand the free-loaders to pony up.
Who are the free-loaders?
 

Gone

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War bonds yes, taxes no!<br />There will not be any more of a UN sanctioned war with Iran than there was with Iraq. It'll have to be a coalition of the willing which will not include Russia nor PR China.<br /><br />Freeloaders? I'm afraid that he means the 5% that pay 90% of the taxes already. I may be wrong.
 

bootle

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Originally posted by Crusty Dude:<br /> War bonds yes, taxes no!<br />
War bonds are IOU's, the Govt' are presently borrowing to pay the interest nevermind the principle on what they already owe, what gives one such confidence that the markets will sustain a perhaps doubling of the debt?<br /><br />Where are the capital investments to come from? if not from financially rich countries, BTW, Dubai happened to be one of those rich countries, who will now take their wealth and invest it somewhere other than America, thanks to a bunch of glory seeking self gratifing politicians.<br />I guess Joe Public can always purchase those bonds via credit cards.
 

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Originally posted by PW2:<br /> Forget how we'd finance the war in Iran.<br /><br />We'd have to reinstitute the draft, and that would be a tough sell in this day and age, I think, unless there is some sort of compelling real threat associated with it
In 2004 Congress quietly slid $200-million into the Selective Service’s budget, above and beyond what the SS requested for their annual operating expenses. What do you suppose all of that money is for?!? The Selective Service would be the fine folks that do the draft.<br /><br />Agreements with both Mexico and Canada are now in place to lock down the borders to any American citizen between the ages of 18 and 26 … draft age. As it stands now, any American that wants to leave the country need the fed’s permission. It’s just transparent to you. When you present your passport at the airline ticket counter your passport number is entered into a system. You are given a thumbs up or a thumbs down before you are allowed to leave. Anyone can still cross the boarder with Mexico or Canada without a passport … for a few more months. Then a passport will be required.<br /><br />We are doing an excellent job of keeping American in should the need arise, in particular draft-age citizens. No energy is being spent on keeping illegal aliens out. Why do you suppose that is???
 

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They'll take my 18 year old son over my dead body. You'd see the biggest riots yet if the draft started back up. Of course Lincoln did it in 1863 when he sent 2 divisions into New York City to gather up conscipts for the war.<br />18R, I agree, would you loan or trust somebody that was in hock to the tune of 8.2 TRILLION dollars?
 

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Originally posted by KaGee:<br /> Why do you always ask hard working people to part with their $$. Time to demand the free-loaders to pony up.
Right on.
 

waterone1@aol.com

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"they'll take my 18 year old son over my dead body"....that's right, freedom and liberty and all of that are wonderfull as long as someone else is paying for it.<br />When I hear," it is time for the freeloaders to pony up", I hear and agree that it is time for able-bodied people to work for a living, rather than collect wellfare.
 

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There is a problem with asking for more taxes when we really don't know how much we already owe when the bill comes due.<br /><br />Taxes have already been raised tremendously, only the paying of them has been defered.
 

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_____________________________-<br />Why do you always ask hard working people to part with their $$. Time to demand the free-loaders to pony up.<br />_____________________________<br /><br /><br />Why that's conservative logic for you..<br /><br />We are spending 6 billion a day or so on Iraq, and let's finance that by denying some single mother an extra can of beans a month. Makes sense to me!
 
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