Why a water separator?

chomamma

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Cars don't have them...... As long as you run enough gas often enough, why have them?
 

HT32BSX115

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Re: Why a water separator?

All the water separators are also good easily replaceable filters too.

You NEED a good filter on any boat.
 

wanna-be

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Re: Why a water separator?

u don't drive that boat as much as u drive the car, thus gas sits in the tank longer, gathers condensation. today's gas has ethanol that evaporates allowing more condensation and moisture.
 

chomamma

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Re: Why a water separator?

Exactly my point. As long as you run enough gas through the engine frequent enough, I don't see any need for WATER SEPARATOR. As far as filtration, I can see that they may be easier to replace, but many boats already have three fuel filters on them. Why add another?
 

Cpt D

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Re: Why a water separator?

A better question would be "why not?" It's not expensive and good insurance.
 

thumpar

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Re: Why a water separator?

If I ran my car on water I would add one to it too.
 

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sethjon

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Re: Why a water separator?

Exactly my point. As long as you run enough gas through the engine frequent enough, I don't see any need for WATER SEPARATOR. As far as filtration, I can see that they may be easier to replace, but many boats already have three fuel filters on them. Why add another?

Your poiint is well taken. You probably don't need one, but if it was on the boat when new then replace it. Give the engineers a little credit. Of course for soemthing as cheap as $8 take a chance and don't replace it. If you get stuck somewhere you'll know why.
 

a70eliminator

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Re: Why a water separator?

If you forget to put the gas cap of your car back on it's no biggie, but forget it on your boat and chances or good you'll get some water in the tank. the seperator will catch it before it's ingested by the fuel pump and carburetor, the through hull tank vent is another potential source of water, I have never found even the slightest bit of water in my seperator, hopefully it stays that way.
 

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Re: Why a water separator?

Most water problems are more likely a result of actual water entering your fuel tank or getting into the fuel tanks at the dock. Condensation: Not so much. Ethanol? Well.... maybe, maybe not.

See... Marinas are, generally, surrounded by water. Boats tend to be around a lot of water, too. Boats have been known to float on water, splash through water and even have some water splash onto hatches, caps, vent openings and just generally all over the darn boat.

I refueled in the rain one time. The marina didn't have a covered fuel dock. I don't think I've ever seen a marina fuel dock that wasn't very close to the water or one that was covered from the elements.

Most of the marinas and fuel docks I've been too (actually, ALL of them) have pumps that pre-date electronics! Most of the gear is old, it's weathered, and the hoses are in worse condition that Abe Vigoda's skin. Yeah, they're all alive, including Abe, but you'd swear they were dead.

Now... considering all this, please ask yourself: Should boaters use a water-separating fuel filter?

:)

Now, there is a 'dry bilge' club around these parts (iboats) somewhere, and they are sometimes part of the "OMG, three drops of water came over the sides" club, and they run the boat back into the garage and modify their Wet Vacs to suck up all known nanoparticles of anything that came close to water. They tend to skip boating days because they don't want the boat to get wet (laugh, because they've been here and admitted it*), and they trailer their boats to the nearest/cleanest Shell station for fuel on a clear, sunny day... once, maybe twice per year. MAYBE, just maybe, they can opt to skip the water-separating fuel filter.

:)

*YES... There have been several posters who skipped beautiful boating days because the boat looked so good on the trailer or in the garage, so they didn't go boating. They even CREATED the threads on the subject!
 

Lou C

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Re: Why a water separator?

take a look at the size of the tiny OEM filter on a Rochester Quadrajet, and then take a look at the element on a typical water separating filter (it's as big as an oil filter). Now think of this. The cars that the Chevy small blocks with the Rochester 4bbl came with got about 10-15 mpg. Most smaller boats with the same engine will use much more fuel in the same hrs running, let's say you get 2-3 mpg and the engine consumes 7-10 gallons per hour. Thats much more fuel running through the carb. Greater need for filtration and if you don't have that big filter more chance for clogging. Then there's the gas tank. It's vented to the atmosphere, the vent is on the side of the hull, maybe a foot and and a half above the water line...water can get in and so can moisture. Deck fills for the gas tank are not always water tight...They are cheap insurance...people tend to keep boats much longer than their cars so again more chance for debris and crud in the gas tank...more need for better filtration...
 

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Re: Why a water separator?

If you would get water in the fuel from the pump, cap not tightened, or other means, in your boat (or airplane), you could have a catastrophic result. Stalling an auto vs. a boat because of water are 2 different issues. Depending on the size of your boat or its location at the time of engine failure, the water separator could save your boat, or a life.
 

Brewman61

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Re: Why a water separator?

Mercury installed the device in my boat for a reason. So it costs about $10 per year to replace the filter. Cheap insurance to me. It's only about a fraction of a percent of the cost of running the boat, but for the peace of mind it provides me- well worth it to me.
 

BAproject

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Re: Why a water separator?

um....why wouldn't you just have one? Cheap and easy, and makes sense for a wet environment
 

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Re: Why a water separator?

Exactly my point. As long as you run enough gas through the engine frequent enough, I don't see any need for WATER SEPARATOR.

Ayuh,.... No Problem,... It's Your boat,... Don't run 1...
I'm sure the rest of Us will be though......
 

Todd157k

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Re: Why a water separator?

I was waiting for my dad to chip in...

BECAUSE I SAID SO!
 

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Re: Why a water separator?

If I ran my car on water I would add one to it too.

Exactly. ;)

Your boat doesn't have an air filter as there is (theoretically) no dust on the water. But your car does.

Your car doesn't spend its entire life on the water - your boat does.

Two different environments - two different needs.
 

chomamma

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Re: Why a water separator?

Well, it is just good discussion. I was just curious as some of my buddies have strongly encourage me to get one "or you'll regret it". Perhaps I will. I run about 30 gallons a week through the old 3.0L. never really sitting very long for sure.
There is indeed water everywhere around a boat and I dont fill up at any marinas. Been having boats many years and I cannot remember water getting into a fuel system. But I am old and my memory comes and goes HA! Granted most of my tanks were on outboards though. The water separator just came out since ethenol was put into gas, so I it's tied to ethenol issue attracting water. Or maybe it is that since many boats now have electric fuel pumps, and since you had to put a fuel filter in anyway, why not use a cartridge/separator unit.

I've briefly looked at these filters and all it looks like it is an additional drain on the lowest part of the filter for the water to settle. Is this correct or is there some other physics working here? It appears if there were any water mixed in the gas it would fly right by this lower area and not have time to settle out. Help me understand guys.
 

alilley

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Re: Why a water separator?

simply put gas is a by product of oil, oil floats on water, there for with seterator at the lowest point the water will be at the lowest point and the gas will flow past the water
 

gene8084

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Re: Why a water separator?

I ran for 3 years and never found a drop of water. Then one rough day last fall I plunged through a particullary large wake. Next time out I stalled repeatedly and thumbed a tow by a passing sailboat (quite demoralizing and I'm a sailer).

Apparently I sucked water in through the tank vent. The vent loop was no match for the sloshing gas and associate suction from the tank. When I pulled the water separator it was more than 1/2 full of water.

IMHO, that's why you have it.

After draining my tank and rebuilding the carb I've replaced the factory vent with an Attwood through hull vent.

http://www.iboats.com/Attwood-90-Fu...52826683--**********.307314738--view_id.38088
 
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