Why buy reman longblock 5.7 engines?

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skargo

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When you can get a NEW GM Performance 4bolt main truck long block for less money, shipped to your door?
 

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I moved this to non-Repair I/O. Not necessarily perfect here either, but is generic as far as I/O brand is concerned.
 

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Why buy reman longblock 5.7 engines?
When you can get a NEW GM Performance 4bolt main truck long block for less money, shipped to your door?

Got me, Why ????
 

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Re: Why buy reman longblock 5.7 engines?

Got me, Why ????
I don't know, or didn't. I guess I assumed a new engine would cost more.
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Like the rest of their vehicles on the road too. I'd rather take an assembly line built engine from new parts, then an assembly line built engine with used, reman'd parts.

I was surprised, and wondered if there were benefits to buying rebuilds over a new one.
 

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Maybe because the marine engine rebuilds come with a 2 year warranty, while the GM crate motor has no warranty when installed in a boat?

http://www.jegs.com/customerservice/GM_Warranty.pdf

Yeah.....US ENGINE has a pretty good warranty on their long-blocks too![FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]500,000 engines sold [/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]500,000 engines sold since 1986 all with our 7 year warranty[/FONT]
 

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Re: Why buy reman longblock 5.7 engines?

I am not concerned with that, I have closed cooling, I think they are concerned with raw water cooling the blocks. Good point though.

I don't think it's just the cooling, a engine in a boat has a lot harder life then a engine in a car.
 

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I don't think it's just the cooling, a engine in a boat has a lot harder life then a engine in a car.

Really? I think it IS the cooling as to why they don't warrant them. I don't think they have that much harder life in a simple pleasure craft. I don't know many who run wide open for long periods of time.
I still think a new engine, with new components, will last longer than the rebuilders engines. Some of the rebuilders are getting engines sent back on a regular basis, they just send another questionable engine out as a replacement.

My original engine lasted 33 years! I think the closed cooling had a little something to do with it.
 

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Engines in boats typically run at higher rpms then they do in a car or truck. When was the last time you cruised at 3+thousand rpms in your vehicle?? Now, not everyone runs them at their recommended max rpm range but there are those with small motors in big boats that do. They are the ones that take a big beating. Skargo, I think your engine lasted that long because it was maintained properly and was not beaten day in and day out.
 

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You need to rethink pretty much all of that Skargo. The definitive statement about the cooling system, the load factor and the new vs. rebuilt reliability. Your last point stands to reason :)

Edit: agree with bnicov, add much higher load factor.
 

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I would also add that 33 years in a boat isn't really indicative of anything any more than it is in cars. Hours of operation for a boat and miles driven in a car are better units of measure (although both UoM have their obvious flaws). The 600hrs on a 33 yr old boat engine isn't the same as 600 hours of run-time in a car. It would be a closer comparison to 600-hours of towing trailers up hills, as the load on a marine engine is always there, whereas normal car/truck engines spend little time under significant load.
 

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Well, got my NEW GM Performance truck block yesterday morning. Hope to have it installed so we can enjoy our vacation the week of the 4th!

I'm sure this will be MORE reliable than any of the rebuilds out there...
 

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Well, got my NEW GM Performance truck block yesterday morning. Hope to have it installed so we can enjoy our vacation the week of the 4th!

I'm sure this will be MORE reliable than any of the rebuilds out there...

Except in the case where the rebuilts used higher quality parts than GM did new.
 

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Skargo said:
I'm sure this will be MORE reliable than any of the rebuilds out there...

LMAO! You really believe GM uses only the highest quality parts and machining in your original equipment engine? The same GM that had to get a government bailout to stay out of bankruptcy? Just like people who own rental property only use the highest quality, most expensive materials and worksmanship when they're getting a property ready?

In both situations, the end result is built to a price point to make money. If you want higher quality, you pay for it.

Works the same way for buying engines.

There's no magic in building an engine, it all depends on the quality of the machinist and his equipment and the parts used. High quality all the way through means a good engine. A lazy machinist, worn machinery, or cheap parts will adversely affect the motor. If you don't have any mechanical knowledge and aren't willing to do any research on what goes into a rebuilt engine, a stock GM is probably the best choice for you.

For example, a typical stock Chevy engine runs plus or minus .005 (five thousandths) in the location of the horizontal reference plane (crank centerline) and +/- .015 in the longitudinal plane due to core shift (this is why many engines must be sonically tested for thin cylinder walls before they are bored). GM is cranking out about 25,000 a day, and those tolerances are good enough for them. Something like a Rottler machining center used by a typical major rebuilder will hold +/- .0002 (two ten thousandths) on all axis. Crank/cam/rod/piston/cylinder relationships are held more accurately (sometimes called "blueprinting" an engine) and if parts at least equal to stock quality (not very hard to do) are used, the rebuilt engine will be higher quality (more reliable) than the stock engine.
 

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Yeah well any company that sells a reman for dirt cheap is going to have trouble.

And I do believe the reliability from a new engine will be higher than a reman put together in someone's garage LOL.

And BTW, as a landlord with 11 houses currently, I do high quality renovations, my rentals are probably nicer than a lot of people's primary residences!

So you guys need to tell all the thousands and thousand of people using a new truck long block that they screwed up. And the built in Mexico thing cracks me up too, where do you think all of the engines in most of the big 3's engines are assembled?


I will agree a HIGH QUALITY rebuild will be dead nuts reliable if the person rebuilding knows what they are doing, but then we'd be paying 4 grand or so. I paid less for my boat LMAO.

BTW, my comment above should have read "will be more reliable than MANY of the rebuilds out there" sorry.
 

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So you guys need to tell all the thousands and thousand of people using a new truck long block that they screwed up.

You're right, they did if they were trying to get the best engine for their money.

For example, if you're still getting that Jegs GM crate motor you referenced in your previous thread, you could have had a higher-quality rebuild with closer tolerances, hyperteutonic pistons instead of plain cast aluminum, Vortec heads, a roller cam, and a real warranty for less money.

But if you're not willing to do the research, a major manufacturer like GM will be glad to take your money and deliver a product acceptable to most people.

Kind of like going to McDonalds for a hamburger. You're pretty sure you're going to get something acceptable (I suppose people think they're acceptable, I haven't been to McDonalds in a long time but apparently they are very popular with most people) and cheap, but it's not necessarily going to be the best hamburger you can get for your burger dollar.
 
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