Where do I start looking for trouble? New starter and good batteries. The cable I was using was 2 awg jumper cable that I made for temporary use. It was a set of jumpers I picked up somewhere that seemed nice and pliable for the outboard ( I know,,, keep in mind only temp fix ) I do have a replacement solenoid, I didnt replace old one, cause seemed to work ok. 96 112 johnson thanks , Joe