Why must some always cry foul?

roscoe

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""After an 18-month investigation, the Justice Department found that the police force did not reflect the diversity of the city’s population because of how the math test was graded.""<br /><br /><br />So what.
 

cpj

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Originally posted by roscoe:<br /> ""After an 18-month investigation, the Justice Department found that the police force did not reflect the diversity of the city’s population because of how the math test was graded.""<br /><br /><br />So what.
What he said. <br /><br />Its ok Mr.Chavez,you just keep taking the test,dont worry about your score, we will keep lowering the standards so that we can have a "diverse" police force.<br /><br /><br />My theroy is this:<br /> If you are a 72 year old black lesbian immigrant with aids in a wheel chair, and you were abused as a child, you can have ANYTHING you want.<br /><br /> :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
 

imported_Curmudgeon

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Having worked in law enforcement recruiting, trust me when I say the majority of new recruits reflect the education system in place in the US today, and it crosses all ethnic boundaries. Doesn't really matter why the system evolved into what it is, it is what it is. The scary part of this is the federal government intervening in the affairs of local government. Had VB discriminated against applicants who passed the test, then hit 'em hard. But to hit 'em because a proportional number of blacks/latinos couldn't score a minimum 70% is indicative of the major social problems that infect out society.<br /><br />Just as with education, setting standards for the job is the purview of the employer, not the federal government. With the current influx of illegals and the government-mandated "dumbing down" of our schools permeating all other aspects of life, it's gonna get much worse. The question remaining for our society is how long will we tolerate this bovine fecal matter!
 

demsvmejm

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Originally posted by Kenneth Brown:<br /> So what do ya think about the issue I posted Dave?
As I wrote initially, I agree with Boomyal that math is universal. It does not matter if you are Latino, Chinese, Mexican, Indian, White, African American, Slavic or Purple, two plus two is four, e=mc2 and x+y=z. If you aren't smart enough to know that, then maybe you shouldn't be in a position to pass judgement over anyone.<br /><br />It is a disgrace that the Federal Government should take action that is so unilaterally ignorant. That they should feel the need to defend such a position as to sya that you must lower your standards to meet the pool of applicants. Heaven forbid that the pool of applicants be imposed upon to actually be competent or capable.
 

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If I were black or hispanic,I would be very upset to see that police jobs are handed out to people who cannot count.Not only would I have to deal with racial profiling,but also with halfwits in uniform.Well,at least I could fool him when he takes a bribe.<br />Come to think of it,can affirmative action be considered racial profiling???
 

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It has nothing to do with counting or formulas. A straight up math problem done with pencil and paper is not the problem. It's when the math is placed into the context of a story that favors the white test taker. Whether you like it or not, there are people of other races that are American citizens, even though they have a completely different background or family history. When tests are given in the context of white American History only or white culture only, IT IS NOT EQUAL OPPORTUNITY! IT DOES NOT MEAN THAT ANYONE IS BEING GIVEN A FREE RIDE. GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT!
 

Haut Medoc

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So if Towanda has ten childrens & Jerome has six childrens, how many childrens would that be?<br />More importantly, how much would the Gubmint check be, I ax you?....JK
 

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Originally posted by CJY:<br /> It has nothing to do with counting or formulas. A straight up math problem done with pencil and paper is not the problem. It's when the math is placed into the context of a story that favors the white test taker. Whether you like it or not, there are people of other races that are American citizens, even though they have a completely different background or family history. When tests are given in the context of white American History only or white culture only, IT IS NOT EQUAL OPPORTUNITY! IT DOES NOT MEAN THAT ANYONE IS BEING GIVEN A FREE RIDE. GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT!
Um, what? I can't recall EVER seeing a math problem that required background information to solve it(unless that is a formula previously learned in math).<br /><br />What are you talking about?
 

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Um, what? I can't recall EVER seeing a math problem that required background
I don't know how to state it any more clearly. Haut makes my point with his post. When a test is written by whites, the culture, history and dialect is in "white."<br /><br />Different races speak with different dialects as haut so well pointed out. The dialect does not make them less intelligent regardless of what anybody thinks. It gives non-white races a disadvantage when taking a "white" test. If a test was written by a different race, Japanese-American, Chinese-American, African-American or whomever besides whites, who do you suppose it would favor.
 

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Originally posted by Haut Medoc:<br /> So if Towanda has ten childrens & Jerome has six childrens, how many childrens would that be?<br />More importantly, how much would the Gubmint check be, I ax you?....JK
Bee's about tha same as Latrines getting. <br /><br /><br />Thanks HK, needed the humor after reading the worthless drivel posted by CJY. That sir is the most outlandish thing I have ever heard. Its a different culture so it should be worded differently. LOL May I reccomemend that you see my signature? You may know someone that it applies to.
 

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I kinda thought we were supposed to all be Americans. :confused: But that theory seems to be going to He!! lately :(
 

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Originally posted by CJY:<br /> It has nothing to do with counting or formulas. A straight up math problem done with pencil and paper is not the problem. It's when the math is placed into the context of a story that favors the white test taker. Whether you like it or not, there are people of other races that are American citizens, even though they have a completely different background or family history. When tests are given in the context of white American History only or white culture only, IT IS NOT EQUAL OPPORTUNITY! IT DOES NOT MEAN THAT ANYONE IS BEING GIVEN A FREE RIDE. GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT!
If you believe that, you are a moron, and part of the problem. 2+2=4. No matter if it is 2 watermelons + 2 fried chickens, or 2 country club memberships + 2 57 foot boats.<br />And you still have NUMBERS to add up, it doesnt matter the "culture" you are from.<br />Lets have a different ****ing test for every last son of a ***** that comes to this country! <br />We need to have one for muslims, asians, mexicans, germans, french, canadians, swedes, aussies, indians (dot and feather) etc etc etc.Heaven forbid that someone actually learn american culture. :rolleyes: :mad:
 

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I did not post an opinion, I posted reality. This is the way it is, whether you agree, disagree, like it or dislike it. I did not make any discrimination claims, I do not make up the tests. cpj, you calling the person that has only removed some of your ignorance only shows you have a great deal of it left. <br /><br />cpj, if you don't believe it, you sir are the moron. Find out the facts before you call names. This way, you won't look so stupid. I did not dream this up, this is the way it is. All tests that are to be standardized are made this way. If the test is given as a way to sort potential job candidates, then it must be standardized. Otherwise, discrimination suits are filed.<br /><br />Kenneth, I did not say you had to like it. For someone this applies to, you also show great ignorance on the subject. If your claim to all the knowledge on this subject is being Mexican, good one. Get the facts so you don't follow in cpj's footsteps.<br /><br />Incredible, you thought I was trying to sell you an opinion.
 

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Lowering the math test standard from 70 to 60 or 50 will not affect a person ability to perform his/her duty as a cop. The test itself was designed to distinguish whether a person is sane enough to go about his daily activities. If a person is NORMAL. It should not be viewed as a pass or fail test. If the underlying issue is where the cut off line should be, rest assured your fellow officers who scored higher or lower than you are not any smarter or dumber. Moreover, a person physique is the real test. His/her ability to perform minimal demands should be taken into account. <br /><br />Again we are talking about BASIC MATH. Whether you score 90 or 60, you are in the same category as far as math is concern.
 

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How many 1.5" donughts will fit on an extended glock clip if 4" of the clip is in the pistol?
 

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I might also add. In any community, the civil work force should reflects the make up of the population of that community. Whether it suits you or I is irrelevant. Although I may disagree, lowering the cut off line on the math test is a mere attempt to do just that. Failure to see this maybe costly and irreversible.<br /><br />I report you decide. happy boating.
 

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Quote..."Whether you score 90 or 60, you are in the same category as far as math is concern."<br /><br />Are you actually writing that you believe that someone has the same ability to reason and think through a problem (any problem) regardless of whether they scored 90 (that's a high score for those who passed school under a lower set of standards) or 60 (a lower score)? You don't see any difference between those two candidates? I just think that's shocking!!!<br /><br />Not only should there be a cutoff where an applicant is denied if they don't meet a minimum score, they should receive preference points for higher scores.
 
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