Why must some always cry foul?

[KRS]

Re: Why must some always cry foul?

Originally posted by --GQ--:<br /> I might also add. In any community, the civil work force should reflects the make up of the population of that community. ...

I completely disagree. The civil work force should be made up of the most highly qualified applicants... but we all know the liberal lawsuits have forever prevented that. Forcing an agency to hire a person based on their minority IS discrimination, and injures any higher qualified applicant who was not awarded a position/job based solely on their race/etc.

 

[cpj]

Re: Why must some always cry foul?

The test's:<br /><br />Little Johnny Smith goes to the local market to buy a loaf of bread.The bread costs .79 cents with tax.<br />Johnny has one dollar. How much will he have left after paying for the bread?<br />Answer:.21 cents<br /><br />Tyrones crack head mother sends him to the sto for a forty ounce of Colt 45, which cost 2 dolla. Since Tyrones family is on welfare, and you cant buy malt liquor with the welfare debit card, How is Tyrone gonna help his momma get her drink on? <br /><br />A:Beg for the 2 dolla's on the street corner.<br />B: Heck with the money, just steal it.<br />C: Find someone whose welfare card has no money left, and "sell" them 3 dolla's worth of welfare for 2 dolla's cash.<br /><br />Answer: I dont know, Im just a whitey who doesnt understand black culture.<br /><br />Seriously, is this what you want? Or something along those lines?<br /><br />Those tests may sound racist, but how would you,CJY, propose that they be written?

 

[Speedwagon]

Re: Why must some always cry foul?

Originally posted by CJY:<br />

Um, what? I can't recall EVER seeing a math problem that required background

I don't know how to state it any more clearly. Haut makes my point with his post. When a test is written by whites, the culture, history and dialect is in "white."<br /><br />Different races speak with different dialects as haut so well pointed out. The dialect does not make them less intelligent regardless of what anybody thinks. It gives non-white races a disadvantage when taking a "white" test. If a test was written by a different race, Japanese-American, Chinese-American, African-American or whomever besides whites, who do you suppose it would favor.

So, because some of them are too LAZY to learn proper english, we should rewrite a test in ebonics and spanglish?<br /><br />Dude, that's ridiculous. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to learn proper english. You can get away with just watching normal TV to learn it. Just turn of BET/MTV/VH1 for awhile.<br /><br />And I don't care if what you posted is fact or opinion, it's still ridiculous. It's an insult to those, from that culture, that are able to properly pass the standards the way they were. I, for one, would be ashamed if they changed the standard for my skin color/cultural background. Proper etiquette deems that you learn the culture of the country you are in, not the other way around.<br /><br />So if the country you are in, was founded by white europeans, that mostly spoke english, then that's what you should learn about. Be a part of society as a whole, not just your little tiny ethnic corner of the city.<br /><br />Oh, one more thing. I don't recall hearing Chinese or Japanese decendants complain about such things. They normally work their a$$ off to get where they are today. *In my experience* I have found that, on the whole, blacks are lazier. This is coming from experiences I have had, interaction with different ethnic backgrounds. So yea, I think they are lazy, and in general, trying for a free ride. Not all, but in general. I even know a guy in the Army, who is black, that says the same thing. And he hates it.

 

[Speedwagon]

Re: Why must some always cry foul?

Originally posted by CJY:<br /> Japanese-American, Chinese-American, African-American

If anyone doesn't want to be wholly AMERICAN, not a hyphenated American, there's the plane, go back to where you came from. This is America, and everyone here should be proud to say they are AMERICAN. I'm not Irish-American, or German-American, or Scottish-American. I am an American, who happens to be white. The only exception to this, is those who actually have dual citizenship. Then they can use the hyphen. Everyone else can leave.

 

[CJY]

Re: Why must some always cry foul?

Seriously, is this what you want? Or something along those lines?<br /><br />Those tests may sound racist, but how would you,CJY, propose that they be written?<br />

The way the test should be written is the million dollar question. I don't know or have I ever proposed to know the answer to that question. I have only answered the original question to this thread. As long as they favor one culture, people will file law suits. I think it is interesting to note, people that bring about these lawsuits win them. This means there is a white judge sitting on the bench in agreement they are biased. <br /><br />

I, for one, would be ashamed if they changed the standard for my skin color/cultural background.

Then you should be ashamed because that is what has happened, for whites anyway.<br /><br />

Be a part of society as a whole, not just your little tiny ethnic corner of the city.

So what you are saying is that you want everybody to be the same...like you, when you know full well this cannot happen. That speedwagon, is racism.<br /><br />

If anyone doesn't want to be wholly AMERICAN, not a hyphenated American, there's the plane, go back to where you came from.

You do understand that most were born here...right?<br />To once again answer the original question to this thread. As long as people with the sentiments of speedwagon are making the "standaradized" tests, there will be lawsuits. <br /><br />Speedwagon, I wish to thank you for taking us back many years, prior to 1954 to be specific. May 17, 1954 was when public education became desegregated. Blacks were allowed to attend what were previously "white" schools. The decision came via Brown v. BOE. It gave the same educational rights to blacks that whites had enjoyed since the inception of this country. Progressive thoughts and standards keep this country moving forward today. It is now happening in employment.<br /><br />You say you want the most highly skilled for the job. I think what you really mean is that whites are always the best for any job, and that is the way it should be. Otherwise, what do you fear? Do you think when an african-american is born in the US their culture is lost or should no longer exist? <br /><br />

I'm not Irish-American, or German-American, or Scottish-American. I am an American

You also understand that "American" is not a culture...right? Just because you have chosen to ignore your roots, does not mean others should. <br /><br />

I even know a guy in the Army, who is black, that says the same thing. And he hates it. <br />

Hmmm, I wonder why he says that around you.

 

[tommays]

Re: Why must some always cry foul?

May 17, 1954 was when public education became desegregated. Blacks were allowed to attend what were previously "white" schools. The decision came via Brown v. BOE.

.<br /><br />Funny but that did not happen in Johnson City Tenn were i went to grade school till about 1964 <br /><br />And it took a lot longer in a lot of places and is still going on in reality in many public schoool systems<br /><br /><br />tommays<br /><br /><br />tommays

 

[CJY]

Re: Why must some always cry foul?

Very true tommays. People don't always respond to a supreme court decision just because one has been handed down. It was met with great resistance as is equal opportunity employment as we have seen right here on this board.

 

[Speedwagon]

Re: Why must some always cry foul?

Originally posted by CJY:<br />

Seriously, is this what you want? Or something along those lines?<br /><br />Those tests may sound racist, but how would you,CJY, propose that they be written?<br />

The way the test should be written is the million dollar question. I don't know or have I ever proposed to know the answer to that question. I have only answered the original question to this thread. As long as they favor one culture, people will file law suits. I think it is interesting to note, people that bring about these lawsuits win them. This means there is a white judge sitting on the bench in agreement they are biased. <br /><br />

I, for one, would be ashamed if they changed the standard for my skin color/cultural background.

Then you should be ashamed because that is what has happened, for whites anyway.<br /><br />

Be a part of society as a whole, not just your little tiny ethnic corner of the city.

So what you are saying is that you want everybody to be the same...like you, when you know full well this cannot happen. That speedwagon, is racism.<br /><br />

If anyone doesn't want to be wholly AMERICAN, not a hyphenated American, there's the plane, go back to where you came from.

You do understand that most were born here...right?<br />To once again answer the original question to this thread. As long as people with the sentiments of speedwagon are making the "standaradized" tests, there will be lawsuits. <br /><br />Speedwagon, I wish to thank you for taking us back many years, prior to 1954 to be specific. May 17, 1954 was when public education became desegregated. Blacks were allowed to attend what were previously "white" schools. The decision came via Brown v. BOE. It gave the same educational rights to blacks that whites had enjoyed since the inception of this country. Progressive thoughts and standards keep this country moving forward today. It is now happening in employment.<br /><br />You say you want the most highly skilled for the job. I think what you really mean is that whites are always the best for any job, and that is the way it should be. Otherwise, what do you fear? Do you think when an african-american is born in the US their culture is lost or should no longer exist? <br /><br />

I'm not Irish-American, or German-American, or Scottish-American. I am an American

You also understand that "American" is not a culture...right? Just because you have chosen to ignore your roots, does not mean others should. <br /><br />

I even know a guy in the Army, who is black, that says the same thing. And he hates it. <br />

Hmmm, I wonder why he says that around you.

Well, you are almost completely wrong on every account. However, I see this will go nowhere, so I'm done.

 

[Water Rat]

Re: Why must some always cry foul?

Hey!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!<br /><br />I grew up in Johnson City, err actually Gray, TN just over the hill. I actually went to Daniel Boone High School, Graduated in 1984. Salute Tommays!<br /><br />The way I see it, if you grew up in this country, went to public school, took some actual interest in your education, then you should be able to pass the test. Have any of you actually taken a standardized government test!!!!! It is so simple!!!!!!<br /><br />I live in Nevada now,,,,you guys want to *****, think about this.........In Nevada and California, if you go to the dmv to take the written test and you can't read or speak English, they give you a recording to listen to in Spanish, in order to take the test...AND THEN GET A ****ING LICENSE!!!!!!!<br /><br />Liberals will ruin this country, I only hope it happens after I'm dead.

 

[rottenray6402]

Re: Why must some always cry foul?

I am amazed that CJY is actually serious about this. Where would it end? Would you or a family member want to be operated on by a Doctor that the scores were lowered for because there was not enough of "them" whatever "they" are? Or change the CPA exams or medical boards to jive language. This is absurd, the whole idea of living in America is so we don't have a class system like in other countries. The unfortante fact is that minorities are placing themselves in a class system by not wanting to be "Mainstream Americans". There are certain things expected by society to keep order and prevent chaos. Why don't we inact certain laws some for "us" and some for "them" and so on. I think that a middle class black kid that has access to public school has just as much opportunity as a poor white kid in the hills of West Virginia or where ever. This is really scary!

 

[RubberFrog]

Re: Why must some always cry foul?

Yo wassup dog? Gimme yo license or I'm gunna bust a cap in yo azz!

 

[tommays]

Re: Why must some always cry foul?

well nobody is willing or able to give any examples of the math test so i will have to guess it goes beyond normal + - / * questions<br /><br /><br />tommays

 

[kenimpzoom]

Re: Why must some always cry foul?

So the court said it is OK to have stupid cops as long as they are of a non-white race.<br /><br />I guess smart white cops are too stupid to enforce the laws on non-whites.<br /><br />If this were a difficult math test I could understand some concern that non-whites may score slightly lower, but on a simple math test. Come on guys. Do we really want to arm the people with a badge and gun? Shouldnt there be something we can judge these people by?<br /><br />Ken

 

[rottenray6402]

Re: Why must some always cry foul?

There has to be a reality check done somewhere here. Since CJY pointed out that in 1954 the schools were desegregated it would seem in 52 years that with equal education opportunities we should all be able to pass the same tests, read at a similar level, etc. CJY pretty much made all of our arguments as far as I can see.

 

[cpj]

Re: Why must some always cry foul?

Originally posted by rottenray6402:<br /> There has to be a reality check done somewhere here. Since CJY pointed out that in 1954 the schools were desegregated it would seem in 52 years that with equal education opportunities we should all be able to pass the same tests, read at a similar level, etc. CJY pretty much made all of our arguments as far as I can see.

GREAT POINT!<br /><br />Really, how are the tests worded so that someone other than whitey cant understand? I would love to see an example.

 

[kenimpzoom]

Re: Why must some always cry foul?

I heard one example.<br /><br />Cup is to saucer as needle is to (blank).<br /><br />The multiple choice answer is supposed to be: thread.<br /><br />The objection was that poor people would not know what a saucer is because they dont drink tea and eat crumpets. (And we all know all black people are poor and only drink 40oz beers.)<br /><br />This is why I can see that SOME people might score slightly lower, but it shouldnt make the difference between a 90 and a 50%.<br /><br />Ken

 

[CJY]

Re: Why must some always cry foul?

rottenray,<br /><br />I never said test scores should be lowered. I simply pointed out why there are complaints. Yes, I also pointed out desegregation in 1954. How does that make your argument? What exactly is your argument? Test scores should not be lowered? If that is it, we have no argument. <br /><br />I also pointed out that some are slow to follow the law. I think it also follows that just because the law says schools are desegregated does not mean they truely are. Teachers will not teach all equally if they have feelings against desegregation. Some districts draw "local" school zones in such a way that leaves one "local" school with the minorities while other zones are bordered so only rich white students are in that school. All in the same district. Denver was caught doing this not too long ago.<br /><br />I don't think some realize the extent others will go to keep people they feel to be inferior down...unfortunately this country has far to go before we are all "equal".<br /><br />

I am amazed that CJY is actually serious about this.

??? Serious about ending racism and descrimination??? I don't understand how anybody can be less than serious. It's a huge problem that will not go away as long as our heads are buried in the sand. I guess as long as we believe there is an equal opportunity for all, then there must be.

 

[Speedwagon]

Re: Why must some always cry foul?

Originally posted by CJY:<br /> Hmmm, I wonder why he says that around you.

Ok, I lied a little bit. One more thing.<br /><br />It's rather obvious by this statement, that you are passing judgements off on people that you know nothing about, based solely on your interpretation of a post made in this thread.<br /><br />So really, who is more likely to be the racist? Or at the very least, prejudice?

 

[CJY]

Re: Why must some always cry foul?

Speedwagon, I am guilty of passing judgement on you and only you...based on what you posted. I have not passed judgement on your entire race, which is what you have done. Let me refresh your memory, the following 3 statements you made speedwagon:<br /><br />speedwagon said:<br />

So yea, I think they are lazy, and in general, trying for a free ride.

speedwagon said:<br />

*In my experience* I have found that, on the whole, blacks are lazier.

speedwagon said:<br />

If anyone doesn't want to be wholly AMERICAN, not a hyphenated American, there's the plane, go back to where you came from.<br />

speedwagon, these statement amaze me. "on the whole" you found "blacks to be lazier." If you don't believe this says so much about your attitude toward blacks...well, I don't even know what to say. <br /><br />Try to twist it around if you wish, I don't care. But I think we both know the truth.

 

[Speedwagon]

Re: Why must some always cry foul?

Originally posted by CJY:<br /> How fast would you have jumped me for calling others stupid??? Where have I ever called you or your ideals stupid????? Rather, it is a childish attack that you have used when confronted with opposing thoughts. <br /><br />I think calling one stupid really does define one's character. You allowed great insight in just one single post. <br />

Originally posted by CJY:<br />cpj, if you don't believe it, you sir are the moron. Find out the facts before you call names. This way, you won't look so stupid.<br />