will a 1985 115 hp mercury lower unit fit a 74 850 mercury? mer

emckelvy

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Re: will a 1985 115 hp mercury lower unit fit a 74 850 mercury? mer

Yes, it'll bolt right up, but you'll have to go to a prop with 2" less pitch to account for the change in gear ratios.

The 6-cyl lower unit has a ratio of 2:1 whereas your 85HP has a gear ratio of 2.3:1.

If your lower unit has an O-ring groove located just below the splines at the upper end, you'll need to grind a corresponding groove in the replacement's driveshaft with a dremel tool or cutting/grinding disc chucked into an arbor on a portable drill motor.

This groove is required to keep water out of the crank/driveshaft area and prevent the splines from rusting out.

Note if your driveshaft doesn't have this groove, it's already like the later-style and you won't need to do anything except install the lower unit. Be sure to renew the impeller while you're at it.

HTH............ed
 

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Re: will a 1985 115 hp mercury lower unit fit a 74 850 mercury? mer

As emckelvy posted it will fit but you will loose also about 2-5 mph top end speed depending on hull and prop selection.
 

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Re: will a 1985 115 hp mercury lower unit fit a 74 850 mercury? mer

sorry to ask again what would be a good propeller what size, pitch, spline? would a 19" prop work? any size?
 

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Re: will a 1985 115 hp mercury lower unit fit a 74 850 mercury? mer

sorry to ask again what would be a good propeller what size, pitch, spline? would a 19" prop work? any size?

Hard tellin' not knowin'. ;)

(Kinda hard ta understand yer question.............)

If yer askin' 'bout yer 115 LU or yer 850 LU stick with the # splines on the existing shaft. :eek:


19" (if yer talkin' about diameter), is way to big fer the ol' 85 HP. :D

Yer gonna have ta stick close ta stock (which is 13" ta 14" in diameter).

If ya put the 2-1 LU on yer 85 HP engine (which is a higher gear ratio then stock) yer gonna have ta decrease the pitch from what ya now have, (if what ya now have werks OK), on yer present combination.

Hope that helps sort out yer cornfusion a wee bit. JR
 

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Re: will a 1985 115 hp mercury lower unit fit a 74 850 mercury? mer

sorry about my question to make it clear.. the question is would my 85 hp prop fit the 115 hp lower unit. and what is a pitch im a newbee
 

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Re: will a 1985 115 hp mercury lower unit fit a 74 850 mercury? mer

Yes, the propshaft splines are identical and your 85 hp prop will slide right on the propshaft of a 115 hp Inline Six lower unit.

The issue we're attempting to point out is that the difference in gear ratios between the Four and Six gears will affect the way your motor runs.

To use an analogy to a motor vehicle, imagine if you're running around in 4th gear all the time. She runs up just fine and everything is the way you like. Now, all of a sudden you shift up to Overdrive 5th and the motor won't pull this hill or that.

The same thing would happen with substitution of the 6-cyl L/U for the 4-cyl's.

Now, if you think about it, you could get back the same level of performance in 5th gear of your car as you had in 4th, if you put smaller tires on it.

Propeller pitch is analogous to tire diameter. Prop pitch is the theoretical distance a propeller will travel in the water, with one revolution. We'll just concentrate on that, and not talk about "slippage" which of course happens or you'd never get the boat up on plane!

So, a 19" prop will travel a [theoretical] distance of 19" thru the water for every revolution.

You can see that if you switch to an "overdrive" lower unit you've just changed the "final drive" ratio same as if you shifted to 5th gear.

However, a boat motor doesn't have multiple speeds forward, you're always in the same 'gear'. So by going to an 'overdrive' lower unit you've just increased the load on your motor, and likely it won't have the power to pull the 'taller gear'.

So, you decrease the 'diameter of the tire' by getting a prop with lower pitch. Typically the gearing change we're discussing would require a prop with 2" less pitch, just to get back to the same 'final drive ratio' as you had before the swap.

This assumes that the prop you're using was correct for the boat in the first place. So what we really need to know is what's the model of your boat, how long is it, does it have a relatively 'flat' bottom or is it a 'deep vee'.

All these things (including boat weight and weight of driver, pssgr's, fuel, etc) affect performance and prop recommendations.

The only 'real world' way to figure this all out is to take the boat out, just the driver, trim for maximum speed ('trim' being the tilt of the motor, either by power trim or what hole you have the tilt pin in), and see what rpm you achieve at Wide Open Throttle.

Your motor should run up approx 5500 rpm at W.O.T. to be in the correct power band. If the prop is too big, the motor can't wind up to the rpm where it makes its HP and you've just overloaded it. Just like driving around town in 5th with too-tall tires, lugging the motor all the time.

Props sizes are expressed by diameter, then pitch. A example would be "13x19" which would be a 13" diameter prop, 19" pitch.

Unless your boat is short and light, a 19" prop is pretty big for an 85hp. Thus the other poster's concern.

At any rate, hope this helps with what you're trying to do.

Maybe it'd be easier to find another lower unit from a 4-cyl "800", "850", 80hp or 75hp, with the same gear ratio as your motor's L/U???

Just a thought!...........ed
 

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Re: will a 1985 115 hp mercury lower unit fit a 74 850 mercury? mer

Thanks Ed, sorry I was sooooo snarky there College Guy.

I have a good 1978 800 20" shaft LU if yer near Seattle.

Fresh water unit.

Has stainless drive shaft n' pedo pick up, (later model with more aggressive skeg angle).

Send me a PM with a phone number or email if ya have an interest. JR
 

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Re: will a 1985 115 hp mercury lower unit fit a 74 850 mercury? mer

hi,
thanks that makes a lot of sense. I have a bass boat so its flatter & 15 footer. which diameter and pitch prop do you guys recommend for me?
 

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Re: will a 1985 115 hp mercury lower unit fit a 74 850 mercury? mer

hi,
thanks that makes a lot of sense. I have a bass boat so its flatter & 15 footer. which diameter and pitch prop do you guys recommend for me?

Read Ed's post and apply the principles. We can't solve it over the net for ya. JR
 
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