Will new rings clean this up? (Pics)

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'73 18hp. This one was given to me. It's for my Jon. It didn't run, and know I know why. Some history. This one was locked up at some point. Last owner (a really big guy) broke it free. Judging by the sheared flywheel key, he didn't use enough, if any, solvent. There is NO ring ridge, pistons are stock, no OS stamping. There is no evidence of overheating. Paint on exhaust side and right side looks good, considering age. My best guess is is sat for a really long time with no sleepy time maintenance, then someone tried to get it goin again, probably on bad gas. The bottom hole is surface rusted on the bottom of the hole. I played around with some every cloth and got it to FEEL smooth again. A note on the feel thing. A machinist once told me that the human hand can only detect about a 2 to 3 mil difference in surfaces. The rusty look is still very much there, see pics. On further inspection thru the fuel pump port, the rings looks and feel stuck. The piston skirt shows some scuffing, no galling. There is no side to side play in the rings. With a tiny screwdriver, I tried to get them to move. No go. Movement between the lands is very very minute, with careful prying and wiggling of the tiny screwdriver. Note, piston to bore clearance at the top of the bore is close, between .0020 and .0025 with my feeler guages. (I read no wear, to speak of-no ring ridge either) I was tempted to put the head back on, load it with sea foam and hope for the best. Now I'm tempted to go thru it, de-glaze it and re-ring it stock. Head gaskets are about $20 each, don't want to be wasting a 20 spot.Whats the best course of action here? Will new rings clean up the surface rust, or am I looking at a .020 over piston-bore job for the bottom hole? Putting it back together and hoping for the best went out the window after checking thru the fuel pump port. Another question? Anyone know about how much material is lost after a good deglaze? Thanks, KR
 

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Re: Will new rings clean this up? (Pics)

New rings will not clean up the rust. You might try honing it and see if that does it. You may have to spend some time with the hone. Afterwards you'll need to see if they're still in spec.

How do the pistons look? Same rusty mess, or are they smooth.
 

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Re: Will new rings clean this up? (Pics)

At the least, it will need to be torn down and new rings. By the time you get it down, and deglazed you will have all your answers and be able to decide from there.

That is an awful lot of rust area. Looks like it sat with a puddle of water in there. Was it submerged or what? Again, tear it down and see what you have. There could be other rust damage you can't see yet. Not trying to discourage you, just being realistic.
 

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Re: Will new rings clean this up? (Pics)

Good advice. iwombat, the bottom piston looked pretty good thru the fuel port. None of the rusty goo. Some scuffing. It was stored outside, cowling was on when I got there, no cover. I gotta go with imported F R. Gonna tear it down. Hope the bearings aren't rusted too.If so, look for a decent powerhead. They are still around. Might not be a bad idea. I plan on keeping this one. Kinda like having a couple of Corvairs in posession, one is for parts. If not, then I can check head warp. Clean up around the water jacket. Work it real good with a ball hone. Check piston to bore side clearance as I go. I've got some room to spare,it's still tight. Thanks again guys. KR A
 
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Re: Will new rings clean this up? (Pics)

This one goes into the winter project pile. The Jon will just have to wait. When I get it torn town, I'll go get this thread and have a go at it again. Thanks for the input. Great place to flick a keyboard. KR
 

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Re: Will new rings clean this up? (Pics)

It's a bad trend on my part, but I always assume at least close bearing inspection if not replacement if you're going to open it all up for a re-ring. All the more important if you're seeing any rust. Think about it - rust is oxidized steel. What are the steel parts in your outboard?
 

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Re: Will new rings clean this up? (Pics)

Another good point. I'll inspect the whole thing. I might have a cure for some lightweight surface rust. Don't know. Powdered white jewelers rouge, not red, or green, but white, the fine stuff, mixed into a thin solution with water. Dump the rouge, and separated roller bearings into one of those kids rock polishing tumblers that's up in the attic. Let it work a couple of minutes and see what happens. If there is rust on the bearings, I've nothing to lose. A whole decent used powerhead goes for under $175. I'm not going to put more than that into the rebuild. Thanks, KR
 
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