Wire Tapping Is Deeper & Dirtier

[ztim]

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KRS hit the nail on the head in saying that it's not like this happened over night. Did everyone forget the quest for information knew no limits during WWII? Why the paronoia all of a sudden if not to just make trouble politically? <br /><br />One will not lose freedom through it, but will retain freedom from it.

 

[Skinnywater]

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Why the paronoia all of a sudden if not to just make trouble politically?

Because people in general and politicians specifically these days are more irresponsible and are more apt to get or use the information improperly?<br />

One will not lose freedom through it, but will retain freedom from it.

Freedom lost to some foriegn enemy or from your own government is still lost.

 

[18rabbit]

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Originally posted by SS Mayfloat:<br />Unless you are doing illegal activities, why should anyone be concerned about the tapping?

One of the most un-American, anti-patriotic things I have read on the iboats forums. Why don’t you just write Al Qaeda a check and thank them for a job well done. The pair of you (your ideology and Al Qaeda’s actions) are working in concert to tear this country down.

 

[rwise]

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Is really a freedom lost, if you never had it to begin with? The only difference is today you now it!

 

[rwise]

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Also I have nothing to hide, even when I sold drugs for a living I did not hide. Everyone new, all the people that lived on the street, even the lawman. So why hide? Oh and I don't do that anymore, and I still have nothing to hide!

 

[Mark42]

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Yep! Hopefully this thread will assinate anyones idea that their privacy is assured and intact. Don't forget the President has not guaranteed your telephone privacy.<br /><br />I still dont understand why men in suits keep going through my trash.<br /><br />

 

[kenimpzoom]

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Internet, wireless phone, and conversation at a resturant are all considered the same to me.<br /><br />Be especially careful what you put in writing as those messages may be used as evidence one day.<br /><br />Ken

 

[SS MAYFLOAT]

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Whoa there 18Rabbit, How in the blazes do you get off calling me unamerican and unpatriotic? I'm for anything that will save lives and mainly my families. <br /><br />This country was a hard core, cold blooded fighting machine to keep our freedom. Doing what it takes to secure and keep our freedom requires all stops to be pulled out. If "YOU" are worried about your conversations, then I would suspect you. Call me what you will, but those that oppose the measure of tapping makes me wonder who's side they are on.<br /><br />BTW, if I was of age again to join the military, I would do it "Again" in a heartbeat. Thanks

 

[rolmops]

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It is a big mistake for anyone to be indifferent about the gradual taking away of constitutional rights.It is downright stupid to think that an organisation like El Quaida is in any way hindered by listening in to their conversations.In fact they probably use this to mislead intelligence people.<br />It is not un-american to insist on having your constitutional rights.<br />Having them taken away is easy.Getting it back is harder.Before too long all the information that is currently gathered about you ,me and your friends will be sold to private companies for a song,probably as a political pay-off.And when convenient,these companies, will use it to either sell you things or it will be used against you when those companies feel like it.<br />I am a patriot,but I am not stupid and,given the current administration's track record,there is absolutely no reason to trust them!

 

[Skinnywater]

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"I will not cede more power to the state. I will not willingly cede more power to anyone, not to the state, not to General Motors, not to the CIO. I will hoard my power like a miser, resisting every effort to drain it away from me. I will then use my power, as I see fit. I mean to live my life an obedient man, but obedient to God, subservient to the wisdom of my ancestors; never to the authority of political truths arived at yesterday at the voting booth. That is a program of sorts, is it not? It is certainly program enough to keep conservatives busy, and Liberals at bay. And the nation free." William F. Buckley

 

[18rabbit]

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Originally posted by SS Mayfloat:<br /> Whoa there 18Rabbit, How in the blazes do you get off calling me unamerican and unpatriotic? I'm for anything that will save lives and mainly my families.

Your "anything" isn't good enough. The only rights you have are the rights you insist on. When you don’t insist on a right (i.e. the right to be free from warrant-less searches) it dilutes that right for everyone; reducing everyone’s right to a privilege. Your abandonment of your right(s) brings down everyone around you. It’s both selfish and unpatriotic. <br /><br />Lots of people fought and died so you could have those rights. Abandoning your rights suggests their actions and deaths were worthless.<br /><br />

Originally posted by SS Mayfloat:<br />... If "YOU" are worried about your conversations, then I would suspect you. Call me what you will, but those that oppose the measure of tapping makes me wonder who's side they are on.

Are you saying this as a communist, a Nazi, or are you really that ill informed?

 

[Haut Medoc]

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Ouch, I'm going back to the I/O forum <br />But I do agree that "W's" willingness to do an end run round the law, sux....<br />If you give up your rights because you have nothing to hide, pretty soon you will have nothing to hide ......JK

 

[oddjob]

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Does 18R abbrieviation stand for rabbit or rabbid?<br /><br />just pondering...

 

[oddjob]

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Only a moron would communicate anything to someone via any electronic device if he wanted to keep it confidential.

 

[KaGee]

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And any "rights" I supposedly have are not worth squat if I'm dead.

 

[txswinner]

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Not long ago many were saying it was ok that W was spying on Americans but it was only on the bad guys and none of us to worry.<br /><br />Now the same people are simply saying it is ok and has gone on for years.<br /><br />Well it is not ok with me. I have rights that should be guaranteed me by the Constitution and as our forefathers said when a government is no longer ruled by and for the people then it should be ........... (not me, we are being watched!!!)

 

[KaGee]

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18R? This you? Maybe it's Rodbolt???<br /><br />

 

[oddjob]

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Hey! get the hell out of my line of fire!...plink!....nevermind and thanks for the cover...LOL

 

[oddjob]

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Nice touch Kagee

 

[Xcusme]

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Your "anything" isn't good enough. The only rights you have are the rights you insist on. When you don’t insist on a right (i.e. the right to be free from warrant-less searches) it dilutes that right for everyone; reducing everyone’s right to a privilege. Your abandonment of your right(s) brings down everyone around you. It’s both selfish and unpatriotic. <br /><br />Lots of people fought and died so you could have those rights. Abandoning your rights suggests their actions and deaths were worthless.

18R,<br />While I agree with you, I have a problem with your use of the word 'privilege'. As I see it, a privilege is something that is granted or given. In this case, our rights outlined in the Bill of Rights are not privileges to be recined by the government or anyone else. As Benjamin Franklin said " Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."