Wiring questions - what's 'proper'

[braindead0]

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Sheesh, didn't mean to start a holy war. For comparison, I've completely rewired a few motorcycles that have 10's of thousands of miles on them (a couple are pushing 200k last I heard) these bikes are sole transportation and ridden in all weather rain, snow, desert..you name it.<br /><br />The vibration on a motorcycle is at least comparable as a power boat and likely quite a bit more (particularly on many of the old Triumphs and Nortons). Never once have I had a soldered connection fail. <br /><br />I think that if my boat we destined to sit in saltwater year round, I would be a bit more concerned and perhaps take some further measures. But that's not the case here.

 

[Ralph 123]

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Boats are subjected to constant pounding - heavy Gs there are no shock absorbers like on a bike. They are also constanty wet, etc, etc. If they could use auto parts and techniques in boats they would. They can't because they don't last.<br /><br />The marine environment is the harshest there is. Even harsher than space in many ways. The codes exists based on broad experience...<br /><br />The funny thing is, it is easier to do it per industry standard (if you have the right tools)than it is to solder...<br /><br />Anyway, I've had my say. No matter what you decide to do, I wish you luck. <br /><br />No good deed goes unpunished and you can't teach a man what he thinks he already knows.

 

[braindead0]

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I shoulda been more clear when I said "solder", I have no intention of using solder connections only, as I see no reason not to crimp and solder connections not just solder.

 

[Ralph 123]

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As long as you crimp soldering can't hurt. Juts do your self a favor and use a good ratcheting double crimper.

 

[RTW2112]

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"As long as you crimp soldering can't hurt. Juts do your self a favor and use a good ratcheting double crimper"<br /><br />Isn't that what I said to begin with? Anytime you want to compare wiring projects that's fine. I've been a Master Electrician for 9 years and a Supervising Electrician for the last 3. No one tells me what to do or how to do it. I have 160 electricians currently under my supervision. How many boats have you wired? I have done over 40 going back to 1989 when I did my first one. Guess what, it's still in the water and has never had an electrical glitch. Yesterday I wired a 5000 HP D.C. motor, what did you do, hack?

 

[Ralph 123]

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Oh A Master Electrician with a hardon for engineers... oooh, I am so impressed. What happen couldn't get into an engineering program anywhere or did you just flunk out? An engineer give you are hard time? I bet if I left out I was an EE you would not have even posted.<br /><br />You picked this fight not me. I never disagreed with crimping AND soldering. Just soldering alone. That is what every one of my posts said. You were so anxious to take me on you didn't even bother reading my posts. You even quoted me and didn't read what it said. Then I said tinned = solder (after being a wiseass about the alloy mix) and you didn't even read that! Ha, ha, ha. Your next posts proceeds to tell me what I already said.. <br /><br />I gave third party verification for the things I said and all you did was insult me (really not me just every engineer you ever had a problem with) and blow smoke.<br /><br />Seems like a major case of ***** envy to me.like I said, I see remedial reading (or maybe anger management) in your future.<br /><br />PS - What's a big time Supervising Master Electrician like you doing rewiring a motor? What's the matter, none of your 160 subordinates available? It must be tough surpervising that many men and having to do grunt work like that your self. My hats off to you.

 

[RTW2112]

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Whatever hack, I graduated from Purdue University but I feel no need to go telling people that, I let my work speak for itself. I do not have a hard-on for engineers in general just ones that go spouting off when they don't know their as* from a hole in the ground. I suggesting using crimp terminals along with solder which is a much better installation than crimp terminals alone. But you had to go opening your yap quoting the standars as you obviously took them out of context. Maybe you should take some remedial comprehension classes? Or maybe a code interpretation class than maybe you could see what they were trying to get across with that particular standard. But no you'll just keep running off at the mouth talking shi* until somebody calls you out on your BS then you can say "I'm an engineer I must be right." You go ahead and wire anything you want however you want, I know all my wiring is done right. By the way a list of standards or codes are always the MINIMUM ACCEPTABLE STANDARD. Anything you want to above and beyond that just shows the pride a craftsman takes in his trade but I guess you wouldn't know anything about that.

 

[Ralph 123]

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HA HA HA ... I knew you couldn't resist! You STILL didn't bother reading what I said originally or subsiquently. I never diagreed with you. You were the one who picked this fight without even understaning what I said. That means you either can't read too well or just have a hardon for engineers (probably both).<br /><br />You went to Perdue? If that's true my opinion of Perdue just fell big time! You actually graduated? Wow...<br /><br />For the record genius here is what I said. Try reading it SLOWLY this time and take s second to try to understand it:<br /><br />

1) It is against the ABYC standards to rely on soldered connections. Marine grade connectors (butt, ring, spade, etc.) must be used.<br />

OK, I am afraid you still won't be able to understand it so let me say it another way. You can't just solder your connections. You need to use marine grade terminals (butt, ring, spade, etc.). If you want to crimp AND Solder no problem. If you just want to double crimp and shrink, no problem. If you want to just solder that's a problem. Ok, get it now?<br /><br />BTW, do you know what it means to take something out of context? I'm not sure you do. How is quoting the code verbatim taking it out of context?

 

[RTW2112]

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Did I in ANY of my posts suggest using only solder? Go back and read my first post genius and see what I recommended. Crimp terminals and solder. And it's spelled P-U-R-D-U-E. Keep your yap shut maybe you'll learn something, hack.

 

[Ralph 123]

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Oh I thought you meant the Chicken college.

You went to P-U-R-D-U-E. Oh that makes sense then. Just kidding. Good school. I think what we have here is a failure to communicate. My post came before yours, not after. I was responding to initial post not you. Truce?

 

[RTW2112]

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Truce.

 

[braindead0]

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Yeah, a truce! <br /><br />It's probably my fault, when I think soldered connections on a vehicle.. I usually (if not always) are talking about crimped and soldered.. I see no reason to pick up solder connectors when it's easier to find crimp connecters then crimp (make it easier to solder anyway!) and solder.

 

[lakeman1999]

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I'm glad you two kissed and made up, too bad woody didn't find a reason to jump in there.

 

[RetNav]

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[Ralph 123]

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Lake so funny you should say that... <br /><br />The Hurricane that hit Bermuda kiched up 1o ft swells here so boating was out of the question. It's down to 4 footers today...hum...<br /><br />Hopefully GW will have some good stuff tonight to post about.