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couch229

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new to forum.i have a 79 70hp merc.it will only run on plane at wot.ive done the following.rebilt carbs,new powerpack,new plugs,rebilt fuelpump,new rectifer,cleaned fuel filter,fresh gas.as soon as i easy back on the gas it slows way down.its on a 17ft bowrider.ive been fighting this all summer,not one day on the water.also new waterpump last year.any help would be great.
 

Laddies

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You need to check compression, need to use a manual and do a timing and synchronization, then adjust the low speeds. If thee other work was properly done the engine should run at that point. If these things have been done the you may have a reed valve out.
 

couch229

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thanks laddies.compression is good.have not touched the timing.the problem now is that out of the water the telltale pees.in water not.overheated.idles fine.water out of the slots in the lower unit.telltale blows smoke but no water.maybe thermostat,poppet?can i try to blow air in the top of block to maybe clear out.if so would i do this with the motor running or warmed up but off?getting out that thermostat will be no fun.maybe the waterpump get chewed up somehow.nobody around here will even look at it so i'm on my own.any thoughts?thanks.also ran great 2 yrs ago then died.rectifer.
 

RaScLeS

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make sure youre waiting like 30-40seconds for the water to come out
 

couch229

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waited 6 or 7 min no water just exhaust smoke did'nt want to let it run any longer for fear of major meltdown.when i first start it up there is no smoke out of the telltale,after a few mins just smoke that pushes real good?
 

RaScLeS

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if you waited over a min and nothing your impeller is shreded like mine was when i bought it. change it for new, and ensure the housing is good and youll be pumping water np. try some new plugs, what else have you done to the motor since you owned it ?
 

CharlieB

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You may have two separate issues.

One a performance issue, another a cooling issue.

ALL troubleshooting should start with the BASICS, Compression test, Spark test, WOT timing (cranking), carb cleaning, fuel pump flow test, and of course a thorough link and synch following the OEM procedure to the letter.

An inspection of the water pump should be done, running on the hose adds city water pressure and often masks any underlaying water pump problems.

USUALLY, all of the above will identify and remedy most common problems.

I suggest you do the above, post any thing you find that is out of spec and we can further advise where to go from there.
 

couch229

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thanks for yours replies.as you can see from my first post i have done a lot of replacements.at the dock she runs like there is no tomorrow.its the overheating problem,wires start to fry. in the driveway on muffs everything was great.once in the water is where the problems started.i would like to back blow thru the telltale at the top of the head to see of i can disloge some crud.i just dont know if this will do any good.my thinking is if i dont have exhaust smoke when i first up but after a min or two there is blue smoke that the thermostate is working?what does the poppet valve do?:confused:also if the water is not going thru the head but back thru the prop maybe this is where i am having my power problem?
 

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i was just reading my manual for a 65hp, and it was talking about a "poppet valve" that opens during high end throttle, allowing more water in to cool the engine. the thermostat controls temp under mild circumstances, but the poppet is key for high speed cooling. the book talked at length about how salt water commonly causes partial or complete failure of this poppet.

my sixty five ran great in the driveway with a hose hooked up to it, but would over heat at speed and shut down....when i started looking into it, i found the metal around the thermo and poppet was disintegrating from corrosion, due to the previous owner not flushing after saltwater....

the motor got so hot, and real quick, that you could smell stuff cooking that was near the hot surface...like wires....

just a thought...

hope this is of some help...
 

RaScLeS

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bump for a fix on why it only runs at WOT, i need the same fix im thinking the mechanic didnt set the carbs right
 

RaScLeS

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bump one more time for a solution, come on 35 viewing no ones fixes 70's ?
 

CharlieB

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Are you a coffee drinker?

How long does a coffee pot last using hard water?

The heater tube scales up with the mineral and chokes off the water flow.

Throw it away and get a new pot, or replace the heater tube.

And outboard run in the salt is sort of like that crusty coffee pot heater.

The salt attacks the aluminium and the heat also causes salt deposits to built inside all the cooling passages, choking off the water flow AND acting like an insulator blanket, holding heat inside the engine.

Because water pumps are built OVER sized too ensure cooling even when the impeller is aged a couple of years, the motor may still seem NOT to over heat at idle in Neutral, but once place in gear and working, the cooling fails.

I suspect your motor is sadly corroded and salted.

Remove the exhaust side plates and look into the water passages. If they are near solidly filled you may try running the motor in a barrel of vinegar or a safe acid solution in attempt to desolve salt and restore cooling flow.

Recheck WOT timing with the spark plugs removed to ensure incorrect timing is not contributing to your heating problem or the dying at low speed problem.

Good luck
 

RaScLeS

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**** my boats never touched salt water or air, why does it only run at wot with all new electrical. must be timing carb issue but i dont know
 

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LOL

Too easy to skim thru these post and confuse which one of you is the original poster.

Fine WOT and little or no idle or mid-range is often carb adjustment, linkage, and timing, the combination of all the above is a delicate dance well spelled out in the Service Manual as the Link - n - Sync

Each Cyl and carb is a separate engine that happens to share space on a common block and crank. If the carbs are not perfectly synchronized, timing set to the LETTER, the the carb mixture adjustment done IN GEAR while IN THE WATER, it will NOT perform well, yet may seem to run fine at WOT.

Trust me, get the BOOK, read it twice, then again as you are doing it.

It WILL make a world of difference.

Seach iBoats for Link and Sych

You will find an excellent direction from Joe Reeves that should straighten your motor out.
 

Texasmark

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You have a lot to read and think about in all the answers to your post, but here is a real life event.

In short a newly acquired, 15 year old rig ('75 vintage 3 cyl 70 hp Evinrude) would work normally upon first operating during an outing. As the day progressed, the engine became sluggish and lacked power, getting progressively worse, till the next outing and it would repeat.

Grand finale was one day, some 6 months later, I was at WOT, roughly 40 mph and the engine siezed; I mean it stopped dead in an instant. Needless to say the boat came to a screeching halt, overrun clutch in the lower unit or no overrun clutch....almost threw me out of the boat.

Culprit was a frozen shut thermostat. Apparently this engine didn't have a pressure relief valve, I didn't see one, and if it did, it too must have been frozen shut.
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Below is a partial answer to one of your questions
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On the Pee if you are talking about exhaust ports, don't expect the same things to happen at the pressure relief exhaust ports (the holes on the exhaust housing just below the powerhead at the rear of the engine) on muffs as compared to in the water. You have no back pressure on muffs and have it while in the water....hence the reason for the critters.

On Pee from the Pee tube, if you have one and I think you do, this should be there as long as the engine is running (giving it a minute to get up there on start-up) regardless of muffs (water faucet on of course) or in the water, and the intensity of the stream is pretty much directly proportional to engine rpm. At 4-5000 rpm this should sort-of sting the palm of your hand when you put it in it, near the engine cowl.
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Below is something noone has touched upon and may have some merit in solving your problem.
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I am going to say something and you might consider it before you do a lot of other things. 70 hp on a 17' bow rider is way under powered if your engine is the newer 3 cylinder design, vs the old 6 cyl tower of power.....don't remember when merc changed designs.

Back in the early 1970's when bow riders were popular, folks in the neighborhood had 15' bow riders with 60-65 hp OMC loopers.

If you only had a couple of people and sunday's picnic goodies, a 17p prop would be adequate. If you had 2 or 3 folks and wanted one of them to ski, then a 15p prop was required and even then you had to be on 2 skiis, only one skiing at a time, and you were in the 30 +/- mph range. We had an 18' bowrider with a 125 OMC and it ran a 19p and could haul around a boat full of family and a couple of them could get off and onto slaloms with power to run comfortabley at 35 mph.

All of these engines had essentially the same size lower unit which allowed them to roll a 13" +/- diameter prop. Shallow pitch and large diameter at low rpms makes for good low end torque, the kind if torque you need to get a big boat on plane if you have a small engine............

If my memory serves me, your Merc (if the newer 70 as mentioned) runs a high speed lower unit (like 1.78:1) with a 10" prop; have no idea as to the pitch as you didn't mention it, but it's very important. These engines I mentioned ran gearboxes of 2:1 on my 125 and more like 2.3:1 on the smaller engines. Your engine is setup for fast light loads, and these were setup for pushing heavier loads, including ski loads.

Only knowing what I have observed herein, with a lot of facts missing, your problem may be that it takes WOT for your little 70 to just barely put that 17' boat on plane and as soon as you back off, the boat slows to "just under planing speed" which is the point of maximum load on an engine and the engine just shuts down from lack of torque; the water resistance on the prop exceeds the power available at the powerhead and the engine just shuts down.

A prop with a couple of inches of less pitch than you are currently running could answer a lot of questions if you could borrow one long enough to test it.

You bought the boat used I presume. I wonder what the previous owner('s) did with it/to it when they had it. Would be nice to know. I realize that at this age it may have been sold for that reason, or it could have changed hands many times for lack of performance due to under powering.

Along these lines, do you know for sure that the area below the deck is dry. Some boats back in those days put the deck in and sealed it using the trapped air between the hull and deck as a means to provide flotation without using foam. Over time the seams can/do crack and the area can fill with water. Makes a significant difference in the ability to plane out and stay on plane with a given engine, and makes steering/control of the boat somewhat awkward. BTDT Also, some boats with foam (the sprayed in kind that is not sealed) will absorb and retain moisture doing essentially the same thing. Check it out.

Best I can do man,

Mark
 
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