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Stumpknocker

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25% reduced power. Typo. As you said, setup properly by rpm and pitch. He's been working on OMC for 18 years. Seems to know what hes talking about. My boat is rated for 75 and I have a 48 on it. Squeaks out at 2.5 gal per hour consistantly which is pretty good fuel consumption for me.
 

marinemech

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you need to prop engine so it WILL NOT EXCEED MAX. RPM with normal loading where you run moter after that is up to you if you over rev a moter 2or4 or whatever it will fail quickly hence the term over rev
 

Stumpknocker

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According to my manual, the 48 SPL should run to 5800. After being propped and setup correctly, then the question is and has been for longevity one should avoid WOT continually. No engine is designed to run continually at WOT. At a reduced rpm/speed the engine will last longer and deliver better fuel economy. Of course it is up to the driver to run the engine anywhere they want to. Thats their call. And their responsiblity to accept the consequences.
 

Stumpknocker

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I thought I would throw in my reason for starting this quest. I have a friend that uses a 70 Rude on his aluminum bass boat. He only knows one speed. WOT and or sideways. Motor runs fine and never seems to give any trouble. But he complains about the fuel consumption! I tried to get him to fill er up and try moderation for a tank and compare. He just can't quite do it. Gotta have the speed.... lol
 

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you need to prop engine so it WILL NOT EXCEED MAX. RPM with normal loading where you run moter after that is up to you if you over rev a moter 2or4 or whatever it will fail quickly hence the term over rev
Marinemech, please understand the breed of engine we are discussing here(this post).<br />Some of the guys here (many of them) are more than "back-yard" techs, and give some sound advice.<br />The carbed 2-stroke, J/E's in this vintage have shown (proven) better results and longevity if run at or slightly above the max recommended RPM.<br />Temperature is more a factor than RPM on these, and when propped for lower rpm at WOT (not talking cruise because the throttle plates are not fully open at cruise)there is more work being done and thus, more heat.
 

Dhadley

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Gil009, your friends 3 cylinder motor is an example of why a "blanket" statement (like your mechanic gave you about "all" engines) is hard to make accurately.<br /><br />If your friends Evinrude is a 56 cid motor it will indeed live longer if run continually at wot rather than at a reduced throttle setting, as produced from the factory. The 56 cid motor -- from the factory -- runs lean in the mid range. Over a period of time the center cylinder will stick a piston. It doesnt happen right away on short trips but rather over a period of time on an extended cruise.<br /><br />It has to do with EPA credits and the fact that the 70 hp model was one of OMC's best sellers. They could get the most credits the quickest by reducing emmissions on that model. <br /><br />Any carb'd motor at mid range runs on full spark advance and relatively little fuel. The water pump may not be putting out the volume it does at wot so combustion heat comes into play. A perfect script for disaster even if everything else is OK (fuel, oil, plug heat range etc). The 56 cid motor was jetted too close to this line and has a reputation for crossing it as jetted by the factory. The closer the top rpm is set to 5000 rather than 6000, the sooner it happens in a "cruise" mode.<br /><br />On most EFI and DFI motors the engine management system has the ability to "see" any lean or hot combustion conditions and deliver more fuel and/or back off the timing. Thats the beauty of the system.<br /><br />Monitoring and maintaining combustion temps is the key.
 

Stumpknocker

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I c said the flea. What is your opinion of the above info on lean machines at cruising speed with ref to the 2 banger 48 SPL? This is what he was specifically referring to when we discussed the situation. Am I at the same risk as the 3 banger 70? What would you consider a safe rpm range to stay out of that band if I am indeed a candidate?
 

Dhadley

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The 40 thru 60 2 cylinders didnt seem to have a habit of hurting the cylinders at the mid range. They still run somewhat hotter but not to the point of hurting the pistons. That is if all else is OK. Correct fresh fuel, correct spark plugs. good oil, adquite cooling etc.
 

Stumpknocker

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I certainly appreciate all the input. Great stuff to know. I obviously have been laboring under somewhat incorrect information. So, if I understand what has been promulgated by the Wizard of Dhadley and evidently you are the Wizard indeed.... my 2 popper will actually run a little cooler by running a little faster? If 5800 is my top wot rpm, then maybe I can drop back less than before? Say.... 4800 or so rather than 4200-4400?
 

Dhadley

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It will run cool (combustion temp) at any rpm as long as its capable of the proper top rpm. If its lugging at wide open throttle its lugging at 1/2 throttle open. If the motors happy at wot, its happy at 1/2.
 

Stumpknocker

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Great. I guess I'll just keep on doing what I've been doing. I'm glad I ordered a tach for this engine as it didn't have one when I got it. The previous owner had it propped right however so I guess I was lucky. The 48 SPL's don't come with tachs. Seems like they all should have one since its so critical. Thanks again.
 

lark2004

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Ok, Dhadley or Walleyehed, it was mentioned back a bit, that the early carbed J/E engines could be run slightly higher than the factory recomended RPM for WOT. If my 1968 40hp bigtwin says operating range 4000 to 5000 RPM, what is (in your opinion) a safe max RPM to set up for?
 

walleyehed

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lark, set'r up for 5200 with just you, or shoot for 5000 WITH a load...it'll turn more than that when light, but in that case, you don't "need" to turn over 5000.
 

lark2004

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ok, thanks for that Kenny.<br />and yes Gil, my model never had an option for power tilt. Wouldn't mind trying to convert something to fit it though.... :)
 

Stumpknocker

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I'm drawing a mental blank on your engine. You mentioned its a twin, .... two carbs?
 

Stumpknocker

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Ah, simplicity is the comfort of the mariner sublime. How nice and refreshing compared against some of the newer engines that are so complicated you have to hook your laptop up to them just to take the temp. I guess I'm just too old for this new fangled technology.
 
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