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bassnva

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I have a 1984 evinrude 150 and need to know the WOT for this motor.....from a manual if possible...also running a 14 1/2 x 22 3 blade raker prop and want to get more top end out of it....what prop should I try ?<br />This is on a 1984 18' Hydra sport bass boat.<br />The boat runs 62m.p.h. G.P.S. speed...I want about 70...lol...greedy...thank you !
 

sikpnter

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get a evinrude 225! I'd say that your just about maxed out with that motor. That's pretty damn fast for a 150 or you could probably take everything out of your boat like seats,fishing gear,skiing gear, pop(beer) gas, oil, strip it down....lol.. I have a 96 150 and I'm getting 55 out of it with a 20 raker @5700 rpms so It sounds like I'm shopping for a 22 pitch prop.
 

Dhadley

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That motor will turn 6K easily. The reeds start to flutter about 6300-6500.<br /><br />Tell us more about your set up now. RPM, jackplate or not, water pressure, nosecone/low water pick up or not etc.
 

bassnva

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I have a 14 1/2 x 22 raker prop on the 150 evinrude and turn about 5100r.p.m.'s to get 62m.p.h. as far as nose cone or anything else I dont know what you are talking about....just bought it and used it this year..I did have the prop blue printed. I do not have any type of hydrra foil on motor. There are no trim tabs on boat.I may repower the boat up to a 200 after I get transom repaired...it is rated for it.
 

Dhadley

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First we need to check the tach and your speed. With that rpm and prop, about 59 mph is theoritical speed with 0% slip.<br /><br />Make sure you have an OMC (BRP) tach and its set on position 6.<br /><br />5100 is lugging that motor which is real hard on it. Your target rpm should be at least 5800 with an average load.
 

bassnva

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How do I tell what position the tach is in ?<br />Is it marked on the tach and also an OMC how do I tell ?<br /><br /><br />As far as gear ratio...I have never checked it either. To do this put boat in gear and turn motor 1 revolution or prop 1 revolution and cout the other ?
 

Dhadley

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Look at the back of the tach. There should be some sort of adjustment. Just make sure its on position 6.<br /><br />Dont worry about your gear ratio, you cant change it anyway. Lets just try to establish a confirmed baseline and go from there.
 

madbanchee

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DHadley... How can you say "That motor will turn 6K easily." ??? Bassnva never stated the model number of this thing. I know my '89 150hp peaks it's power curve at 5000 rpm with a workable range of 4500 to 5500. I also don't understand how you can say "With that rpm and prop, about 59 mph is theoritical speed with 0% slip." Again, Bassnva never told us what the gear ratio is. So if you would please, tell us what clever way you were able to calculate the top end speed. Curiously appreciated - Thank You.
 

Dhadley

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A crossflow 150 (which is what was produced in 1984) is very capeable of 6000. Target rpm for max engine life and performance is 5800 with an average load.<br /><br />That motor will turn more than 6 as long as there is no rev limiter in the pack. The stock steel reeds will start to flutter somewhere around 6300-6500. With Boyesens it'll go a bit higher with stock port timing.<br /><br />The stock gear ratio was 1.86:1 for that motor. It'd be real unusual if he had a different gearcase (V4, V8 or commercial)
 

madbanchee

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OK, so this is what I come up with for top (theoretical) speed assuming 6000 rpm with a 22" prop...<br /><br />6000*22=132000 (inches per minute)<br />132000*60=7920000 (inches per hour)<br />7920000/12=660000 (feet per hour)<br />660000/5280=125 (miles per hour)<br /> factor in the gear ratio,<br /> 1.86:1 (from 26:14) or 0.538<br /> and the theoretical speed becomes<br />125/1.86=67.2 mph<br /><br /> If a 10% slip is assumed<br /> (which is on the light side)<br />67.2*0.9=60.48 mph<br /><br />Now, if Bassnva is already running 62mph, he either has less than 10% slip (which is unlikely)or he's running higher than 6000 rpm (not good if peak performance is rated at 5800 rpm).<br /><br />Bassnva... If I were you, Id leave it alone or take Sikpnter's advise and get a bigger motor.<br /><br />Still a little confused where 59 mph comes from.<br /> :confused:
 

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We use a couple of ways to determine slip. One is a formula on the computer that you simply plug in the numbers and the other is a calculator wheel (portable -- used for on water testing). <br /><br />The computer says theroitical speed is 56.6 mph. With the little wheel calculator it came up at 58.5 mph. Both use a prop rpm of 2741.9354 at 5100. Most likely its not exactly 5100 rpm. It may be 5140 or 5060 or whatever. Without a digital tach or something like a Digitron its impossible to tell. The % is what we're after so we give a little, at this point, just to get a rough idea. Thats why it's about 59 mph at best.<br /><br />If you run your numbers thru and it comes out at, lets say, 12% slip then you know youre looking at a fairly good set up. If it comes out at say, 25% then you know it can be better -- most likely thru props.<br /><br />If the rough numbers come up with something better than 0%, which is highly unlikely, then perhaps an instrument is off. Most likely the tach in this case since he's using a GPS (fairly accurate but not perfect). What if we find out the tach is defective in a way that it wont read past 5100? What if its on the wrong setting and the motor is really turning 6100?<br /><br />Many times the owner rechecks and finds the rpm was different than what he remembered. Or the prop was a 24, not a 22. <br /><br />At this stage all the numbers do is send up a red flag or not. If you start with an incorrect baseline all your work to improve the set up may be misdirected.<br /><br />In this case experience, and the numbers, tells up to recheck our instruments.
 

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Oh, one other thing -- experience tells us that a 22 Raker on certain model 18' Hydra Sport bass boats is about right. Especially if this particular design has a pad and stepped hull.
 

madbanchee

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Red flag. That's exactly what I thought when I initially read 62 mph with a 22" with the hope it could do more! That's why I was curious about the gear ratio. I've done the math on my boat and it seems to come out fairly accurate when compared to gps. I figure this is a pretty good (no cost) way for the rest of us here without the water wheel and/or software to calculate our expectations before spending money on a new prop just to get that little extra. I myself am not a performance (speed) enthusiast. I just like to feel confident that my rig is running the best it can. What is your opinion of this... I have a 18' Stratos 279F/S with a 13.25x25 Shooter on an '89 E150-XP, I get about 58mph @ 4800rpm. Do you think these numbers look good? - Seriously.
 

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The rough numbers say we're at aroud 7% slip which, if true, is fantastic. <br /><br />The number that scares us is the 4800. Being 1000 rpm short of the target rpm means the notor is lugging horribly and may die a premature and horrible death.<br /><br />I'd suggest we verify the tach's accuracy. Good speed, good prop, good boat. Everthing sounds about right except the rpm's.<br /><br />Are you running a jackplate?
 

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Hey Dhadley, I was wondering why its so bad not to hit your peak rpms. I have a 96 150 fast strike and I am at 5800 rpms at 55 mph so I'm right on the money I think. How does lugging hurt a motor to the point that It will destroy it? thank ya
 

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Lugging the motor, commonly called "overpropping" (which is a terrible description), raises the combustion temps. We're talking about combustion temps, not necessairly water temp.<br /><br />High combustion temps promote coking (a form of carbon). Coking causes the rings to stick in the ring groove. Eventually the piston loses enough support that its possible that it will **** in the bore and shear off a ring end. <br /><br />5800 with your 60 degree 150 is great. You should have a good holeshot and overall performance.
 

sikpnter

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I have thought about going with a higher prop for some more speed but I do have awesome holeshot. Its on a 18'6" fish n ski and it does run good. So I'll leave it alone. So would bassnva be able to reach 70? cause I have a fishing buddy who has a ranger 20ft bass boat with a 225 opti with a 26 prop and he is at 70mph but our elevation here is 4500ft. anyway thanks for the info.
 

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That's some learning curve for me Dhadey!<br /><br />The math is understandable, but where can I get the software to save my brain?<br /><br />Ciao
 

Dhadley

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http://www.rbbi.com/folders/prop/propcalc.htm <br /><br />Pretty interesting site. It has some good info but I dont agree about adding an inch to the pitch if the prop is cupped. It really doesnt matter as long as you do it the same each time. Remember, your after a number that tells you which direction your change has made.
 
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