Wow best purchase so far !!

haulnazz15

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Wow, seems like quite a bit of conjecture here. I think, by the use of the terms "pry" and "bow lift" the physics of the tabs are being somewhat skewed. The smart tabs (and all trim tabs) are effectively an extended running surface, which in and of itself will lift more of the hull out of the water as speed increases. The tabs aren't "prying" the bow down, they raise the stern up. The trim system on the outdrive determines the bow up/down for the most part, the trim tabs mainly just provide lift. Now, you can counteract the trim system with enough down force on a trim tab, but you won't likely be able to do it without hydraulic tabs.

Modern bass boats are an excellent example of where trim tabs aren't needed because the manufacturers have adjusted the hull molds to include the extended running surface in lieu of using trim tabs. Extra lift by virtue of hull design, it doesn't, however, pry the bow down. Just understand that trim tabs, especially the smarttab-types, mainly provide lift not trim adjustment.
 

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Smart Tabs are a great idea for a boat that was poorly designed to start with. And yes they do force the bow down.
Smart Tabs force the stern up; that's where they're located. Since the boat is balanced on it's center of gravity, reducing weight in the stern shifts the center of gravity forward and the bow goes lower. You seem to agree where you write "They just make up for having a boat that's balance point is way to far aft."

A boat the wanders needs a better driver, not more drag. Most small I/Os fall into that category.
AFAIK, All single engine I/Os have steering wander at idle speed.

Ever wander why a 30ft Sea Ray doesn't have those big blocks up against the transom? Cause it couldn't get on plane if they were.
I've seen >30ft boats with twin I/Os and they don't have any trouble planing. The weight of the engines up against the transom is LESS of an issue in a large boat than in a small one; in a large boat the engine weight is a much lower percentage of the total weight and therefore has much less of an effect on balance.
 

DBreskin

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In high performance boats, you want to carry as much bow lift as you can.

As much bow lift as you can?? Tell me if the boat in the video has too much bow lift:

:D:D
 

sschefer

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Maclin, you're right, Chris your 80% right and I agree more with you than Maclin. SmartTabs should not hold the bow down. These tabs need to be setup and adjusted so that they assist normal trim methods. If you're using them to hold the bow down on an outboard then you need to learn two things, prop selection and how to trim the motor.

haulinazz15, bass boats aren't the only ones that have pad's, my JetCraft is a delta pad hull and I only trim up to run WOT. The rest of the time I'm trimed flat or even all the way down. That was hard to get accustomed to but I've learned to love it and even use it to flip the boat around in reverse.
 

kahuna123

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They assist "normal" trim methods. What does that mean? You have a small boat with an I/O. It was not designed right to start with. Grow up and buy and outboard.
 

haulnazz15

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haulinazz15, bass boats aren't the only ones that have pad's, my JetCraft is a delta pad hull and I only trim up to run WOT. The rest of the time I'm trimed flat or even all the way down. That was hard to get accustomed to but I've learned to love it and even use it to flip the boat around in reverse.

I didn't imply that they were the only ones using the extended pads, but they are a good example of the evolution of hull designs to incorporate the increased lifting surface. There are many boats of different vintages and designs that use the pads.
 

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They assist "normal" trim methods. What does that mean? You have a small boat with an I/O. It was not designed right to start with. Grow up and buy and outboard.
Did you intend that for me? Either way, that's not a very welcome comment.
 

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I didn't imply that they were the only ones using the extended pads, but they are a good example of the evolution of hull designs to incorporate the increased lifting surface. There are many boats of different vintages and designs that use the pads.
Whoops didn't mean that to come out that way... Dang work got me distracted... LOL.. Yea there are a lot of different hull designs, some that need smart tabs, some that benefit from having them and some that don't.
 

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I decided to provide more qualification to my platform.

  • If the subject is Smart Tabs then the candidate boats are already under 24 foot.
  • Any statements I make will not be true unless the smart tabs are installed and tuned correctly.
  • They provide lift to the stern to help the hull stay skimming on plane. So in that regard, yes, the bow goes "down", but only to where it should be. The average height of the boat along it's length above the water goes "up".
  • Much of their benefit comes from providing extended planing surface. There are hull designs that do this already, those are not smart tab candidates.
  • Outboards have the same problems as I/O's due to all of their weight being behind the transom. I/O's are heavier but the weight is distributed inboard to a degree.

Smart tabs do offer Mobster Tabs for typical pad style bass boats. They have a different shape just for those hulls.
 

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You have a small boat with an I/O. It was not designed right to start with. Grow up and buy and outboard.

Are you saying only immature people buy I/Os or inboards? If not, what do you mean?
Are you saying all I/Os are designed poorly just because they are I/Os?
 

spdracr39

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This has turned into an interesting thread. All I know is I had one of those rough riding, wandering, 25 mph minimum planing speed, small (21') I/O, supposedly poorly designed boats that when I put the smart tabs on they made it awesome. I couldn't care less about the physics of it, they just work great for me and would probably work great for 75% of the other ski boats out there. Now everyone just " simmer down now!!" :)
 

Bamaman1

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Glad you're so happy with your Smart Tabs.

If you'd shelled out $450 for Bennett hydraulic trim tabs, you would have been absolutely out of your mind happy. Their adjustability is incredible--including leveling out your boat side to side at speed--when you have a couple of fat women on one side.
 

V153

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Personally I never allow fat women aboard ...
 

Maclin

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Bamaman and others,

No disagreement about fully adjustable hydraulically actuated tabs being optimal. Having typed that in, I need to qualify it further by mentioning that they are not exactly set and forget. Smart tabs are aimed at smaller boats that typically do not have Helmsman level operators if you catch the drift here. If you have adjustable tabs set for a loaded conditon then "forget" when docking or slowing and restarting there could be an exciting 3-4 seconds before an operator might catch up to the situation. There are some electronic actuator solutions to this, but again at the cost of, well more cost and also operator attention.

Smart tabs are not aimed at all boats or operators. If a boater's particular circumstance places them in that scope then they are hard to top.
 

NSBCraig

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You guys act like performance boats don't use tabs!

It's odd to find without and the only reason they are left off is budget.

They use huge tabs, guys, huge.

When at speed you trim them up so they cause no drag, but still add length to the running surface.

Properly adjusted smart tabs do the same thing it's the whole concept of the thing.
 

sschefer

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Re: Wow best purchase so far !!

I decided to provide more qualification to my platform.
  • If the subject is Smart Tabs then the candidate boats are already under 24 foot.
  • Any statements I make will not be true unless the smart tabs are installed and tuned correctly.
  • They provide lift to the stern to help the hull stay skimming on plane. So in that regard, yes, the bow goes "down", but only to where it should be. The average height of the boat along it's length above the water goes "up".
  • Much of their benefit comes from providing extended planing surface. There are hull designs that do this already, those are not smart tab candidates.
  • Outboards have the same problems as I/O's due to all of their weight being behind the transom. I/O's are heavier but the weight is distributed inboard to a degree.
Smart tabs do offer Mobster Tabs for typical pad style bass boats. They have a different shape just for those hulls.

Well stated, the average boat that would benefit from smart tabs is typically one that may be underpowered or difficult to properly prop due to hull design issues. The SmartTab product is a good one to help overcome those issues. In those cases I highly recommend them as a solution rather than whale tales, etc.
 

chriscraft254

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Lot of very missed informed information here. Smart tabs are not made for boats that are just under powered or for a specific propped motor. The trim tabs will increase performance on almost all stern drive/outboard boats.These tabs and actuators are sized to your boat size and (weight). The trim tabs are automatically adjusted downward while getting you on a plane, once on a plane, the actuators release pressure to the other side of the gas actuator relaxing the trim tab while on plane so to not cause drag.

Every boat that has a motor in the stern, has an inherant balance issue from the get go. The motor in the back raises the bow to far out of the water, thus creating bad performance. Even with boats with powerful motors, the tabs will decrease the time to get on plane by atleast half. The position your boat is in while planing is what matters, when you raise the stern, the bow is pushed downward an equal distance that the stern is lifted. Nauticus purposely sized thes tabs by weight so that your particular boat doesn't get to much lift or not enough. Thats why they are sized by weight of your boat.

For example, if I were to mount the trim tabs on my boat that were sized to an 8000 pound boat onto a 18 ft bow rider that only weighed 2000 pounds, my trim tabs would surely push the bow down so far that it would probably even be dangerous. But if I were to get the right sized tabs/actuators for that particular 18 ft 2000 pound boat, the only thing I would have to do is decide which adjustment position was best for my all around performance after running her a little with the tabs. There is usually 3 or 4 possitions to give you a little more or less lift of the stern. Adjust them to much lift and you will plow the bow, adjust them properly and you will still have a bow up attitude but not so much as to effect performance.

I have made approximately $12000.00 in upgrades to my boat in the last 2 years. I can say without question, these $125.00 smart tabs was the smartest thing that I installed and the best upgrade.

The boat market that they target is 26 ft and under, mine is at the threshold and they perform flawlessly. I have seen major gains in performance, to include but not limited to everything Nauticus has claimed. I have better stabilty at all speeds. Get on a plane in half the time with half the speed. Stay on plane at much lower speed. Get more speed per rmp. Increased my wot speed by 5 mph. Can turn my boat much tighter without slowing down and without cavitation. All these things relates to better fuel effecientcy!:cool:

The thing that seperates electric or hydraulic tabs from smart tabs is that smart tabs adjust themselves all the time. They are cheap to buy and very easy to install. They do not require a place for helm controls, wiring, pumps, etc. They will adjust more in one minute of running than most other tabs would be adjusted in one day. Smart tabs are good for boats that make alot of go and stop running, ie, the run about or smaller boats 26 ft and under.

The larger boats are fine with helm controlled tabs because you don't have to change your tab setting that often on them because they are not effected as dramatically as smaller boats are in various sea conditions or as quikly. Smaller boats are great with smart tabs because you don't have to worry about controlling the tabs while at high speeds. If you were to over tab or under tab at the wrong time on a small boat, it will have more drastic effects than on a larger vessel. Like nauticus says, could even be dangerous.

You won't find me ever bashing other tab companies, because I think any boat with tabs will out perform the same boat without tabs.

I am going on two years with these on my boat, and I can say the fuel savings alone since I have had them installed would sell me on them. Never mind all the other performance gains. Thanks Nauticus for inventing a great product and making them affordable for us little guys.

Another note, they are a great company to deal with. Have questions, you can email them or call and usually will have your answer in one day. If you have a transom that isn't the normal, send them a pic and they will set you up with the right tabs. I would recommend these tabs to anyone.

I have heard that some inlets can be problematic with tabs down, or a following sea, or backing up. I have never had the issue backing up and also beached my tabs are fine. But I could see if you were in a following sea, you would want your tabs up. For my application, these issues will probably never be addressed because I run on a river and lakes. I think the pros far outway the cons and the price is right for us guys with smaller boats.

By the way, if you look on some of the biggest bass boat sites on the net, many of them are also running these tabs, again, the tabs will be relaxed and not cause drag but will help stability while at wot. You can still adjust your motor trim as needed for bow up after your on plane. These tabs were specifically made for faster smaller boats, thats where they shine! Try adjusting hydraulic tabs or electric tabs why pulling a skier, driving the boat and drinking a beer! :D

People here have said that the helm controlled trim tabs are ideal! Like everything, they have there up side and they have there down side. Helm control tabs are great for larger boats that don't change direction or speed as much as a smaller boat. They are good if you want to adjust side to side weight distribution. They are good if you have a need to fully retract them.

Now, where they aren't so good is, you can over adjust them, under adjust them. They cost alot to buy. They require you to have room for helm controls. They require you to operate them via helm controls They require you to have room for and install hydraulic pumps and wiring. More parts to break at a higher cost to replace them. Though one of the helm controlled companies has a automatic controll, most can not change to the changing water conditions as fast as nauticus tabs. Helm controlled tabs operated by the captain, how much effiecientcy do you think you loose by having them helm controlled. So I ask, do the pros outweight the cons? I don't think so. Not for my little boat.

The second I hit the throttle, my nauticus tabs go to work, until I stop. All I have to do is drive! These tabs will adjust more to the changing conditions in one minute than most people adjust there helm controlled tabs in one day. The tabs simply are working all the time, positioned to give your boat the best performance possible in all different types of conditions and speed. And improving fuel efficeintcy all the time by placing your boat at the best running position all the time.
 
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