Wrong Oil (4 stroke instead of 2 stroke)

yann

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Hello,<br /><br />What happen if you put 4 stroke oil into a 2 stoke motor. Short-term, middle-term, long-term?<br /><br />Thanks,
 

Drowned Rat

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Re: Wrong Oil (4 stroke instead of 2 stroke)

Short term- Bad<br />Middle term- Worse<br />Long term- Worst
 

yann

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Re: Wrong Oil (4 stroke instead of 2 stroke)

How many miles would you qualify short-term?<br />How bad is bad?<br /><br />...taking a big breath...
 

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Re: Wrong Oil (4 stroke instead of 2 stroke)

Yann, I don't think I want to involve myself in an oil related question on this board but... I'm assuming by your asking the question that you did this by mistake and want to know if you messed anything up?? If so, a good de-carb is in order. Look in the FAQ forum and follow the de-carbing instructions. Depending on how long the oil was run through the engine, you may need to disassemble and clean the carbs too, but I would try the de-carb first. You may also want to go ahead and change the plugs while your at it.
 

Stumpknocker

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Re: Wrong Oil (4 stroke instead of 2 stroke)

EEWWWW! How long did you run it?
 

reeldutch

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you will get a lot of ash deposits inside your combustionchamber and exhaust.<br />it will stick your rings 1000 times faster than regular carbon will.<br />take the heads of and clean it.<br /><br />reeldutch
 

yann

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Re: Wrong Oil (4 stroke instead of 2 stroke)

I baught the motor+boat a few months back (first boat)and run max 200 N miles<br /><br />The guy who owned the boat before told me ít was ok to put "normal car oil" in it. He had had the boat for 6 years. The motor was service every year and he had the oil changed everytime by a pro.<br /><br />It a VRO system and I think he actually completed the oil level himself only a few time because he wasn't running much.
 

Barnacle_Bill

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IMOHO 2 cycle motors were ran for many years with just plain ole motor oil. I think worst case scenario would be to de-carb and change the plugs.
 

LubeDude

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Originally posted by yann:<br /> The guy who owned the boat before told me ít was ok to put "normal car oil" in it. He had had the boat for 6 years. The motor was service every year and he had the oil changed everytime by a pro.<br /><br />It a VRO system
Interesting to say the least. Im interested in what brand and weight was used.<br />Im not sure what this means either,"had the oil changed everytime by a pro". as you do not change 2 cycle oil unless you are refering to the lower unit oil.<br /><br />I would do like already mentioned, and after the COMPLETE decarb, (Let it sit overnight, and maybe do it twice) I would take or have a compresion test done, this will tell you if you have any damage done. Likly, other than lots of carbon buildup, there may not be any damage done.
 

reeldutch

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oh boy,<br /><br />if you dont have a four stroke you are in big trouble running reg car oil in a 2 stoke vro.<br />especialy if he did it for a long time.<br />i actualy don't believe the guy because if he run the moter for 6 years on car oil all the mechanics and engeneers will be puzzled how that 2 stoke kept on running for 6 years.<br />i defenetly suggest you check the compressin on you cylinders because if its treu that he run it that long on car oil i don't think you have a ring left.<br /><br />get TCW III i use yamalube 2M in my evi's and every spring i do a decarb.<br /><br />good luck
 

dajohnson53

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This just seems so wierd to me. Not using two stroke oil in this day and age. This is a throwback, what, 40 years or more?? Heck, I've been running outboards since I was a kid, and with maybe the exception of a really vague memory in the early 60s, I can't ever remember someone using automotive oil in a 2 stroke - except in maybe an emergency where no other oil was available for a very short period (e.g. getting home).<br /><br />This guy spent the money to have it serviced every year by a pro and yet was so ignorant to use regular automotive oil rather than two stroke oil? Heck, you wouldn't even save money by doing this and I just don't want to believe he actually did it.<br /><br />My ASSumption (I know, not good to assume) is that he probably didn't actually use automotive oil, or if he did, he didn't do it often. <br /><br />Hopefully you haven't??<br /><br />On the other hand, my guess is that while detrimental, automotive oil wouldn't be disasterous - unless the VRO just didn't mix it properly. If the compression is good and it starts, idles, and runs well, my very uneducated guess is that there is no permanent significant harm. I would think potential damage is dependent on usage - a lot of usage, regularly using the wrong oil might produce significant damage. A little usage, occasionally using the wrong oil, is far less likely to cause significant permanent damage.<br /><br />Check the compression. As others have mentioned, decarbon motor - that's cheap and easy (see FAQ) and is not a bad idea to do regularly regardless of the type of oil you use. Clean or rebuild carbeurators if you have any concern at all about them (e.g. hard start, rough idle, poor performance) because dirty carbeuraters can damage an engine aside from running crappy.
 

G DANE

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Re: Wrong Oil (4 stroke instead of 2 stroke)

Are you sure he didnt mean in the gearbox in lower unit, thats where to change the oil.
 

gsbodine

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Originally posted by G DANE:<br /> Are you sure he didnt mean in the gearbox in lower unit, thats where to change the oil.
I was thinkin the same thing, G.
 

yann

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I think the previous owner did put 4 stroke oil in the motor but since most the time a pro was doing it for him he must have run the motor with a mix (4 stroke/2 stroke).<br /><br />----<br />Yann
 

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everybody who says its no problem to use 4 cycle oil in a two cycle i wouldnt buy a motor from.<br />and i'm shore there is nobody who knows a outboard, will use 4 cycle in a 2 stroke.<br /><br />so my final word is this:<br /><br />DONT USE CAR OIL IN A TWO STROKE OUTBOARD<br /><br />reeldutch
 

yann

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OK,<br /><br />I will do a de-carb, change the oil and make a prayer.
 

dajohnson53

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Originally posted by reeldutch:<br /> everybody who says its no problem to use 4 cycle oil in a two cycle i wouldnt buy a motor from.<br />and i'm shore there is nobody who knows a outboard, will use 4 cycle in a 2 stroke.<br /><br />so my final word is this:<br /><br />DONT USE CAR OIL IN A TWO STROKE OUTBOARD<br /><br />reeldutch
I think we all agree on this reeldutch - but the question was, how much harm was done, if it was indeed done to this guy's motor and what he should do at this point.
 

rolmops

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In the Johnson owners manuals for the fifties and early sixties outboards,it states clearly to use SAE 30 engine oil to make the 2 stroke mixture.I have three engines of that era and car engine oil was used on those engines for ages with absolutely no bad side effects.The fact that TCW-3 is better,does not mean that regular engine oil is disastrous.It would be better to use TCW3.
 

Terry H

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I've used 10-40w a couple of times in my outboard in an emergency and I havn't had any problems, in fact the motor runs real good, so I wouldn't be overly concerned. Tho I don't think it is good for use on a steady diet. Up until the mid '60s, 30w or 40w was recommended, and todays products are far superior, both the oil and the machines. Do the decarb, and change the gear oil, and you should be good to go. By the by...the 10w40 lubricates just fine, just may not burn as well as the proper oil...just a thought :)
 

reeldutch

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in those days moters where running on leaded gas.<br />witch makes a big differrence in combustion temps.<br />hey if people want to run a 1986 v4 on car oil and bring it to a mechanic and things turn out fine then whats the problem??<br /><br />what he should do is check the compression.<br />and if its bad tell the guy who you bought it from to run his newly v6 fuel injected 4 cycle on vegeteble oil.<br /><br />Dont get me wrong i will feel very bad if your comp is bad.<br />thats why i'm so ticked off.<br />hophely it will be fine.<br />what motor is it anyway?<br />and what did you pay if i may ask.<br /><br />sincerely good luck reeldutch.
 
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