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More Documents in Fired Attorneys Fallout

March 16, 2007

<<ABC News' George Stephanopoulos Reports: Congressional sources tell ABC News they're expecting the Justice Department to release more documents today concerning the controversial firing of eight U.S. attorneys last year. The documents weren't expected until tomorrow, but House and Senate are now anticipating they'll receive around 200 pages of documents by close of business today.>>

<<<Emails released earlier this week show back and forth communications over plans to fire the attorneys between Attorney General Alberto Gonzales' chief of staff – who resigned Monday amid the controversy – and former White House Counsel Harriet Miers. An email released late yesterday shows White House adviser Karl Rove asked about plans for the attorneys as early as January 2005.>>>

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2007/03/more_documents_.html

[colour=blue]More about nothing! The Dems are all fired up and are threatining all sorts of things and the MSM, (ABC and ol' George Stephanopoulos would luv some milage at the Republican's expense). Maybe they have tested this with polling groups and think they can impeach the President or gin up the Dems for funds, who knows? I think it is a good indication as to the nature of the people in the 'beltway': both Pols Repubs n' Dems and the media! JR[/colour]
 

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QuoteOmer

I wanted to expose this minor contraversy over nothing for what it really is! The President can, (and most do), change some of the US Attorneys during their terms of office.


Your right JR, the President can change some of the US Attorneys during their terms of office. What has changed, is the present President has a new law inserted that says that he doesn’t have to go before the Senate for confirmation when he replaces the ones he fires.

To you that might seem to be a little inconvenience, to me it looks like someone trying to skirt the law, and get everything in place for the next election, so the Republicans can get known competent Attorneys out of the election system

You keep making reference to what I guess is the firing of John McKay, former chief prosecutor for western Washington State. In his latest performance review, he was described as "effective, well-regarded and a capable leader.

What I come up with was in the 2004 Governors race after counting the votes three times, The Democrats won by 129-votes. McKay didn’t call a grand jury to investigate questions of voter fraud .He sure heard about it when he applied for a Federal Judgeship in 2004 that is when he was questioned about his not calling a grand jury in the Governors race, even when in his opinion he did not have enough evidence for a case.

JR I hate to tell you this but the prosecutor you are trashing is a “Republican” not a "Democrat" ,it seem that John McKay is a moderate Republican , guess that means he is not Conservative enough for you JR? 8)

<< October 31, 2001, Seattle Times article about McKay's swearing-in as U.S. attorney described McKay as a "moderate Republican," and a May 20, 1999, Associated Press article identified McKay as a Republican and quoted him referring to the GOP as "our party."

The Department of Justice website documented that McKay previously worked for Republican Rep. Joe Pritchard (WA) and as a White House fellow under George H.W. Bush in 1989-90.

Also, according to Seattle Post-Intelligencer columnist Joel Connelly, McKay's family has been "involv[ed] in four Bush Presidential campaigns.">>
 

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QuoteOmer

I wanted to expose this minor contraversy over nothing for what it really is! The President can, (and most do), change some of the US Attorneys during their terms of office.


Your right JR, the President can change some of the US Attorneys during their terms of office.

[colour=blue]Any or all at any time[/colour].

What has changed, is the present President has a new law inserted that says that he doesn’t have to go before the Senate for confirmation when he replaces the ones he fires.

[colour=blue]WbW said that too, don't know about the details to that level yet.[/colour]

To you that might seem to be a little inconvenience, to me it looks like someone trying to skirt the law, and get everything in place for the next election, so the Republicans can get known competent Attorneys out of the election system

[colour=blue]Hmmmmm, You n' Willy, (n' believe it or not: I do take what you two say at face value, [hope I'm not being a sucker here, 'cause I know Willy knows his motors, n' you impress me with your internet research abilities]). That said: you state there is a "new law" then you say someone's trying to "skirt the law". You can't have it both ways so fess up. Why would congress let a president replace US Attorneys without oversight? (I am asking a legitimate question here Mr. Tree, not bein' funny).[/colour]

You keep making reference to what I guess is the firing of John McKay, former chief prosecutor for western Washington State. In his latest performance review, he was described as "effective, well-regarded and a capable leader.

[colour=blue]I referred to the WSJ article, that started this thread. I do know McKay refused to investigate the Washington election which seemed on it's face to have sufficient problems, (with known crimes; [dead voters]) and irregularities: three counts where Rossi won the first two prior to losing by 129 votes to merrit a look. That seems common sense to me Mr. Tree! Maybe only me.[/colour]

What I come up with was in the 2004 Governors race after counting the votes three times, The Democrats won by 129-votes. McKay didn’t call a grand jury to investigate questions of voter fraud .He sure heard about it when he applied for a Federal Judgeship in 2004 that is when he was questioned about his not calling a grand jury in the Governors race, even when in his opinion he did not have enough evidence for a case.

JR I hate to tell you this but the prosecutor you are trashing is a “Republican” not a "Democrat" ,it seem that John McKay is a moderate Republican , guess that means he is not Conservative enough for you JR? 8)

[colour=blue]Don't be readin' my mind here Mr. Tree. PW2 made unsupported allegations: I did not! The most Cornservative Republican in Western Washington, (I am not a Republican: Mr. Tree), would be more Liberal then most Democrats in the mid West. This is a very Liberal Left coast State, (West of the Cascade Mountians that is). I think the facts around the last election, (second time a very close one went Dem: [Bro Haut's Maria Cantwell beat Slade Gorton in not as questionable an election: Mr. Tree: but it was very close]), beg for an investigation. The voters here in this town DO NOT TRUST THE PROCESS AFTER THAT MESS. Can you blame them, (re read the WSJ account which is in fact: accurate)?[/colour]

<< October 31, 2001, Seattle Times article about McKay's swearing-in as U.S. attorney described McKay as a "moderate Republican," and a May 20, 1999, Associated Press article identified McKay as a Republican and quoted him referring to the GOP as "our party."

[colour=blue]Don't really care Mr. Tree, (I'm not a Republican).[/colour]

The Department of Justice website documented that McKay previously worked for Republican Rep. Joe Pritchard (WA) and as a White House fellow under George H.W. Bush in 1989-90.

[colour=blue]I think it is Joel Pritchard.[/colour]

Also, according to Seattle Post-Intelligencer columnist Joel Connelly, McKay's family has been "involv[ed] in four Bush Presidential campaigns.">>

[colour=blue]Don't care. I said and I repeat: the President can fire a US Attorney for any or no reason at all. Mr. McKay should have looked into the election for Governor, I say that as a Washington Voter who does vote, and I would have felt that way if I were a Liberal as well. I do want the winner to take office Mr. Tree, and I think voter fraud is the worst type of threat to our great Democracy. I have felt that way since that particular vote: Mr. Tree. Respectfully, JR[/colour] ps: I think the State of Washington is trying to act like my Bro Haut's New Jersey in elections here on the Left Coast.
 

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Whats the point. They serve at the pleasure of the president. Period. Typical left wing Hate Crime mentality. The reasons are inconsiquential, no reason is needed. Clinton wipes out the entire compliment except Chertoff, (Bradley political favor) and some political hacks cry louder.

Attack, Attack, Attack. The politics of cowardise.
 

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Quote Pointer94

Attack, Attack, Attack. The politics of cowardise.



It must be a bummer to be a Conservative with this leadership isn’t it Pointer. Total frustration isn’t it?.:%
 

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JR I hate to tell you this but the prosecutor you are trashing is a “Republican” not a "Democrat" ,it seem that John McKay is a moderate Republican , guess that means he is not Conservative enough for you JR?

No, no, no......he's not "neo-con" enough.
Conservatives are only used by this administration to anger, alienate and smear the namesake.

It must be a bummer to be a Conservative with this leadership isn’t it Pointer. Total frustration isn’t it?.

Can't speak for Pointer but you've hammered me well enough.
 

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This is one of those threads that makes my head spin. Are our friends on the left actually defending voter fraud? Are they also suggesting that a politically motivated firing is really stupid if you wait to do it? I am simply blown away. President Bush is an idiot because he allowed this one guy to stay on the job too long, but he is also a vindictive jerk for firing him?

What's clear to me is that the article was about Ms. Rodham Clinton Jr. being a hypocrite. Yes? No?

I am, however, curious about the Senate Confirmation deal. When did that process enter in the first place? I mean what is the origin of these prosecutors? The Constitution? And were there really Senate Confirmation hearings for all 93 newbies back when Bill got out his guillotine?
 

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FTR, JR, The WSJ identified McKay as a Democrat. He was and is a registered Republican.

And he did investigate alleged voter fraud, and he found no evidence of criminal activity.

One of many "facts" the WSJ got wrong in their editorial.

Allegations don't count, I am afraid. Only evidence counts, and according to McKay, there simply wasn't any.
 

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Quote Omer

Why would congress let a president replace US Attorneys without oversight? (I am asking a legitimate question here Mr. Tree, not bein' funny).


According to what I have read, the patriot act, gives the Attorney General the power to appoint interim U.S. Attorneys for the remainder of President Bush’s term without Senate confirmation.

QuoteQC


I am, however, curious about the Senate Confirmation deal. When did that process enter in the first place? I mean what is the origin of these prosecutors? The Constitution?


See the above ,Google {U.S. attorney's+confirmation}that will get all the answers to your questions.

Can you tell i,m totally bored,will feel better when the water temp goes up another 15 or 20 degrees.:'( cabin fever? ? ?
 

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FTR, JR, The WSJ identified McKay as a Democrat. He was and is a registered Republican.

[colour=blue]Very Good PW2, that is a problem![/colour]

And he did investigate alleged voter fraud, and he found no evidence of criminal activity.

[colour=blue]Where did you get this? As I remember the howls that he refused to look into it.[/colour]

One of many "facts" the WSJ got wrong in their editorial.

Allegations don't count, I am afraid. Only evidence counts, and according to McKay, there simply wasn't any.

[colour=blue]Hmmmmm Ya may have me here PW2.[/colour]
 

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FTR, JR, The WSJ identified McKay as a Democrat. He was and is a registered Republican.

[colour=blue]Very Good PW2, that is a problem![/colour]

And he did investigate alleged voter fraud, and he found no evidence of criminal activity.

[colour=blue]Where did you get this? As I remember the howls that he refused to look into it.[/colour]

One of many "facts" the WSJ got wrong in their editorial.

Allegations don't count, I am afraid. Only evidence counts, and according to McKay, there simply wasn't any.

[colour=blue]Hmmmmm Ya may have me here PW2.[/colour]

I'm glad to see that brain cell you possess is finally kicking in.
He said this in a recent interview. He was ready and willing to be replaced quietly, as he serves "At the pleasure of the President" until the administration felt compelled to unfairly tarnish his professional reputation.

And no, QC, no good Democrat that I have heard of wishes to support voter fraud--what they don't support is the levelling of baseless allegations without evidence. Perhaps the republicans ought not to fight so hard to not spend the money to modernize and make uniform the voting process in this country.
 

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Do you know any bad Democrats that support it PW?Modernize and make uniform the voting process?Are you still concerned about the inability of the so called disenfranchised minorities from Florida that couldn't master a friggin punch card?And then these honorable Dems you speak of that wouldn't support voter fraud placed each card under the Hubbel telescope and claimed that these dangling chads were a right wing conspiracy after a recount gave Bush an even wider margin.I can respect a little of what you say at times,but when you preach this Democratic politician loyalty,it has me reaching for dramamine.
 

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So they don't like the WAY they were fired, it is a civil issue. Big deal, but again, what is the point?

Spreading the hate right out of the political handbook.
 

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This just in.....
One of the three candidates the Rehubs. have nominated is Rick White, a former congressman (R o' course)......;)
The only problem is that he can not practice law in the state of Washington!....:$
Seems his liscense was suspended for failure to pay his bar dues....In 2003......:%
Now, not that this is criminal or anything, there will be some hoops he has to jump through, but it does illustrate yet again, the depths of stupidity that this admin. can reach......:^
I'm sure there is no law, but wouldn't it seem propitious for someone to be a US attourney to have actually practiced law within the last five years? *rolleyes*
Ya know, a liitle 'warm up' before ya jump right in?.....:)
 

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Saw that me Bro, I guess the Sheriff did the dirty deal, (Rep Dave Reichert, R). JR
 

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FTR, JR, The WSJ identified McKay as a Democrat. He was and is a registered Republican.

[colour=blue]Very Good PW2, that is a problem![/colour]

And he did investigate alleged voter fraud, and he found no evidence of criminal activity.

[colour=blue]Where did you get this? As I remember the howls that he refused to look into it.[/colour]

One of many "facts" the WSJ got wrong in their editorial.

Allegations don't count, I am afraid. Only evidence counts, and according to McKay, there simply wasn't any.

[colour=blue]Hmmmmm Ya may have me here PW2.[/colour]

I'm glad to see that brain cell you possess is finally kicking in.
He said this in a recent interview. He was ready and willing to be replaced quietly, as he serves "At the pleasure of the President" until the administration felt compelled to unfairly tarnish his professional reputation.

And no, QC, no good Democrat that I have heard of wishes to support voter fraud--what they don't support is the levelling of baseless allegations without evidence. Perhaps the republicans ought not to fight so hard to not spend the money to modernize and make uniform the voting process in this country.

[colour=blue]Ya know PW2, Ya got me on the sloppyness of the ol' WSJ's reporting but don't think ya tricked me on the evidence issue. I may have only one brain cell but it does work: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I think McKay is incompetent or worse: beholden ta the very powerfull Liberal Cabal here in God's Country.

Why don't ya ponder this PW2, n' if ya have some class maybe admit that yer ol' high school pal may have somethin' after all.[/colour]

http://soundpolitics.com/EdelmanFraudEvidence.pdf
 

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C'mon Murky, you know w ecouldn't elect the Flintstone's pet......;):)......
I agree there are irregulareities.....
What I did not see was which way the person voted....
Presumably they were cast for CG........
Fraud or incompetence on the election officials?
Hard to say......
I also don't know how, if or when it was brought to his attention.....
I'm sure however, "mistakes were made".......;):)
Looks like the one guy voted twice.....
If he did, now that would be fraud, IMHO.....:|
 

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C'mon Murky, you know w ecouldn't elect the Flintstone's pet......;):)......
I agree there are irregulareities.....
What I did not see was which way the person voted....
Presumably they were cast for CG........
Fraud or incompetence on the election officials?
Hard to say......
I also don't know how, if or when it was brought to his attention.....
I'm sure however, "mistakes were made".......;):)
Looks like the one guy voted twice.....
If he did, now that would be fraud, IMHO.....:|

Now me Bro Haut, I did follow that one fairly close, and there were dead people, double dippers, homeless with public building addresses, (those numbers, [o' problem ballots] exceeded the margin o' vistory as well). Dino did win the first two vote counts: remember? But ol' Senator John F Kerry did pitch in some $ for a DEMOCRAT third recount that did come up with 129 votes in Christine's favor. :$ There were many questionable ballots discovered in various waves. Come on now: you do live here me Bro. It did defy logic, didn't it? (Except in NJ). BTW, Most recounts do not overturn, and especially after a second recount. Don't ya think McKay shoulda looked into it? JR ps: There were laws broken, contrary to PW2's wishfull uninformed post, the statistics about the number of close elections that are overturned on recounts should be enough with the proven fraud to look at the matter. Unless: it just does not mater anymore here in WA, (just like NJ)!
 

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FTR, JR, The WSJ identified McKay as a Democrat. He was and is a registered Republican.

And he did investigate alleged voter fraud, and he found no evidence of criminal activity.

One of many "facts" the WSJ got wrong in their editorial.

Allegations don't count, I am afraid. Only evidence counts, and according to McKay, there simply wasn't any.

PW2 and Bro Haut. Here is some more 'evidence'.

http://www.soundpolitics.com/archives/008195.html
 
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