Yamah drops model year designation

[BillP]

Re: Yamah drops model year designation

We've already covered (several times) serial numbers have mfg date and ID parts. That has nothing to do with used motor trade-ins and financing when the no model yr deal starts. <br /><br />Obsolete is old technology regardless of whether it works and fits a motor 3 yrs newer. Will the serial number identify the newer technology? Don't compare it with how they "do it today" with model yrs. Older yrs gets old tech and newer yrs gets new tech parts. That goes out the window when model yrs go out. Without model yrs they will be more likely to swap "back" to older parts that "fit" when inventories run dry. <br /><br />Think about when merc had a stator problem. Sure, old stators fit and worked reasonably well but not like the newer one. Merc continued to sell the old stators knowing they were not so good...hey it was expensive inventory. Owners who yelled hard got free stators (two friend of mine)and ones who didn't yell paid for them. How many of those old stators are still on the shelf due to being obsolete and are NOT speced for later yr models which they would fit? No model yr now? "Yep, put that not as good part in because it fits and we don't have the better one in stock. We done good for Yamaha and Bubba doesn't know the difference."<br /><br />Look around, there are plenty of 2-3 yr "new in box" motors on dealers floors for sale. I don't believe eliminating model yrs is going to change it. It only means those motors will now be the "latest" motors. How many people want to pay the SAME price for a motor that was mfg in 2006 or 2008?<br /><br />Regardless of parts, my question hasn't been answered yet. How are dealers or lending institutions going to place value on USED "no model yr" motors for trade-ins, financing, etc? Serial numbers won't work concerning mfg date. <br /><br />In My Humble Opinion...Dealers should be able to answer the question.

 

[TOHATSU GURU]

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I'm sorry...maybe I was unclear. When the MANUFACTURER sells the engine it becomes the current model year. That is as plain as I can make it. If a dealer has an engine two or three years in their stock then it will be a two or three year old model. Is that plain enough for you? Serial numbers determine model year. Why can't you understand and accept that? Is that plain enough for you. The date of manufacturer is not relevant and has never been relevant. Do you think that engines that have a model year on them were assembled and built the day of the model year beginning? If a brands model year starts on August 1st then engines could have been produced months in advance of that date. That's even under the old system. The most current part could be God knows how old.<br /><br />Trade in value, as far as year, is/was/will be deternined by serial number range. Serial number xxxx through xxxx is one year. Serial number yyyy through yyyy is another model year. How can that be more simple? Any dealer, lending institution, consumer, or six year old who knows how to use a phone can call and find out the year model. Is that simple enough for you? What do you want? Do consumers gain anything from having the model year blazened across the engine cover? No, no, no...a thousand times no. If you have an opinion that it will cause problems. Fine. I'm sure someone, somewhere will get screwed or misled. But, the facts do not support it as being something to worry about.<br /><br />Also, obsolete does not mean old technology. It means superseded. Superseded parts often have minor changes that have nothing to do with improvements. Manufacturing costs often result in a new vendor or a cheaper part that is not as good as a previous part. Usually it is not an issue, but it can be. Sometimes you will get a real product improvemnt with a newer part....but, as I have previously said, that occurs throughout the year. I'm sorry to be blunt, but there is no real issue here. Just a ridiculous argument about something that is not that important. And so I amd done beating this one up.

 

[BillP]

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Easy now, NO need to get so uptight. Do you understand the following quote of yours contradicts itself concerning the "no model yr" policy? <br /><br />Elvin sez:<br /> When the MANUFACTURER sells the engine it becomes the current model year. That is as plain as I can make it. If a dealer has an engine two or three years in their stock then it will be a two or three year old model. Is that plain enough for you? Serial numbers determine model year. Why can't you understand and accept that? Is that plain enough for you. The date of manufacturer is not relevant and has never been relevant. Do you think that engines that have a model year on them were assembled and built the day of the model year beginning? If a brands model year starts on August 1st then engines could have been produced months in advance of that date. That's even under the old system. The most current part could be God knows how old<br />Unquote Elvin here.<br /><br />You keep referencing how it is with the "old" system that uses model yrs. That's totally off topic. The topic is about the new "no model yr" system. On one hand you are saying the mfg sell date and serial date make the yr and on the otherhand say they may not be in the same yr. Yamaha says a 3 yr old motor is a current yr motor. Do you understand that part?<br /><br />Here's how I see if using what you say for valuation...<br /><br />1. 2005 serial<br />2. 2006 manufacturer sells to dealer<br />3. 2008 dealer contracts to sell to customer pending financing. The motor is a "no model yr" and is sold as new in 2008.<br />4. Credit Union says it is a 2005 OR 2006 (which year?), not a 2008 and reduces loan value based on 2005 OR 2006 book values. Deal does not fly due to a larger down payment based on the motor being older. <br />5. Customer goes to the Evinrude dealer and buys a 2008 eTec without financing glitches.<br />6. Yamaha dealer wonders why his motor inventory is piling up.<br /><br />Your right in one respect. Thanks to good valuation and lending processes by the finacial institution the customer didn't get "screwed".

 

[roscoe]

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Or better yet:<br />05 serial number<br />06 sale to dealer<br />April 08 sale to consumer so the motor is officially a 2008 model, right?<br />May 08 consumer wants a bigger motor and wants to trade it in. Is told the trade-in value has dropped not by 14%, but by 45% because "that motor is 3.5 years old."<br /><br />Or, in May of 08 the motor is stolen. Insurance co. now will only pay on value of 3.5 year old motor.

 

[TOHATSU GURU]

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FOR THE LAST TIME!....WHEN THE MANUFACTURER SELLS THE ENGINE IT BECOMES THAT MODEL YEAR. Why is that so difficult to understand? There is no model year on the engine until it is sold by the manufacturer. As soon as a dealer or boat manufacturer buys the engine it becomes dated at that point. I have repeatedly stated that the engine's model year is determined this way under the new system. If a dealer buy's an engine between August 1st, 2005 and July 31st, 2006 it is a 2006 model year. If he has it in his stock for five years it will be still be a 2006 model year. Also, I have not contradicted myself at all. Why can't you understand that the "new no model year" system is not a "new no model year system". The engines will continue to have a model year as they always have. The only differece is that Yamaha will not put the model year on the engine and the the model year will be assigned when Yamaha sells the engine. How can you guys not understand this? If you are unclear at this point then I would urge you to contact Yamaha and ask them to explain it you.

 

[BillP]

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Originally posted by roscoe:<br /> Or better yet:<br />05 serial number<br />06 sale to dealer<br />April 08 sale to consumer so the motor is officially a 2008 model, right?<br />May 08 consumer wants a bigger motor and wants to trade it in. Is told the trade-in value has dropped not by 14%, but by 45% because "that motor is 3.5 years old."<br /><br />Or, in May of 08 the motor is stolen. Insurance co. now will only pay on value of 3.5 year old motor.

Yep, exactly what I'm talking about. There is no way both mfg sell date and serial number date will work as a single source for model yr. It's either one or the other unless they are made in the same yr. Insurance and loan companies are using serial numbers, not sell date numbers. <br /><br />I can hear the dealer now. "I don't care what yr you bought it in, the serial number sez it is 3.5 yrs old".<br /><br />Excuse me Elvin but I can't help but laugh about the following statement of yours and it mildly explains why I don't exactly understand what you are saying. Call me dense but " " placement doesn't change the meaning no matter what my IQ. <br /><br />Why can't you understand that the "new no model year" system is not a "new no model year system".

 

[TOHATSU GURU]

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I give up!

 

[BillP]

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I received a reply from NADA the other day about this and forgot to post it. Not much help but here it is...<br /><br />=================================================<br />Bill,<br />Thanks for the inquiry. We are looking at these issues. As we are currently discussing these issues I am not at liberty to speculate. So at this time I am not able to answer your questions. Note:They will have a manufactured date on the motor with the month and year.<br />Sincerely, <br /> <br />Troy D. Heidemann<br />Assistant Editor/Marine Division<br />N.A.D.A. Appraisal Guides<br />(714) 556-8511, ext. 261<br />theidemann@NADAguides.com <br /><br />=================================================

 

[andymach23]

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Alvin<br /><br />I bought a new Yam F40 4 stroke of my dealer in the UK last July. He didn't have it in stock so ordered it in from Yamaha. There is a small white sticker (or plate, maybe) on it that says 2003. What is the deal with this? Is this the year that it was manufactured by Yamaha? I assumed this was what was happening when I noticed it. Is this then a 2004 'model' motor even though it has a 2003 tag on it? I paid full list price. Is this then normal that I got one with the previous years tag?<br /><br />Thanks<br /><br />Andy

 

[andymach23]

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Sorry Elvin, I got your name wrong.

 

[TOHATSU GURU]

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Yamaha U.S. had the model year on plate up until now. The U.K. may never have had the model year on the engine and it may have just been the production year. You would have to check with the Yamaha distributor in the U.K. to be sure. Yamaha in the U.S. will only have the production year on them from now on, but Nissan/Tohatsu has been that way for the last 5 years. Up before that they didn't even have production years on them. As far as price goes...I don't think it makes much difference in the value of an engine unless there has been a major modification to the design.

 

[seahorse5]

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Originally posted by Andy C Mac:<br /> Alvin<br /><br /> There is a small white sticker (or plate, maybe) on it that says 2003. Is this the year that it was manufactured by Yamaha? Is this then a 2004 'model' motor even though it has a 2003 tag on it? <br /> Is this then normal that I got one with the previous years tag? <br /> <br />

Right now this is Sept. of 2005 and for several months you have been able to purchase 2006 model year cars and trucks that are being built in 2005. Outboard motors are no different.

 

[north40]

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I think there will be a lot of yammy dealers looking in the phone book for "shrinks" and taking self defense lessons.