Yates Verdict

[Stratosfied]

is overturned the appeals judge said that expert witness used false testimony which may have influenced jurors. What the ????? She drowned her own children. THis is absurd.

 

[PatPatterson]

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Originally posted by Stratosfied:<br /> ....What the ????? She drowned her own children......

One would think that that would be pretty much all the testimony that needed to be presented, or heard, wouldn't one?

 

[Stratosfied]

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Thats what I would think, Capt.,I think that this is a massive abuse of judicial power and taxpayers money. These kinds of things really get me steamed.

 

[ae708]

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Abuse of power and waste of money.. can anyone say OJ?

 

[Fly Rod]

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I agree with all the above!!! <br /><br />your right "gonefishn" no context!!!<br /><br />

 

[lakelivin]

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I don't see this as similar to the OJ trial at all. He was found not guilty through a combination of prosecution errors and high priced legal talent. The jury was probably hostile to the prosecution to start, and the prosecutions case probably made them even more so.<br /><br />I have no doubt that OJ did it. I think the prosecution's case left open cracks that allowed that particular jury to decide not guilty (having OJ try on the gloves, no mention of the Bronco chase, Mark Furmans antics). I think it was a comedian that said something like 'this was a case that was influenced by a cop trying to frame a man who was guilty'.<br /><br />As far as the Yates case, there is no doubt that she drowned her kids. The question is around the sanity issue.<br /><br />Question for those of you that followed this case: do you really believe that Yates was sane when she did this OR do you deep down believe that insanity should not be an option for a verdict when a murder clearly has been committed?

 

[ob]

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Originally posted by LakeLivin:<br /> Question for those of you that followed this case: do you really believe that Yates was sane when she did this OR do you deep down believe that insanity should not be an option for a verdict when a murder clearly has been committed?

Well,that same question could be asked from a different perspective.Do you think all people that would commit such a horrific crime are insane or are some people just mean and cold blooded?<br /><br />BTW,with 11 of 12 closed minded agendaites for a jury and Ito for a judge,in the wake of the Rodney King incident,OJ's prosecutors didn't stand a chance.

 

[PatPatterson]

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Originally posted by LakeLivin:<br /> .....Question for those of you that followed this case: do you really believe that Yates was sane when she did this OR do you deep down believe that insanity should not be an option for a verdict when a murder clearly has been committed?....

My whole problem with people who use the insanity defense is that it seems like they only are insane with those who are weaker, or more vulnerable than themselves. She was no more insane when her children were alone with her than when her husband was alone with her, yet she didn't try to drown him. No, he could defend himself, so that didn't happen. The children couldn't defend themselves, so it was them.<br /><br />Time after time, you see people commit these horrendous crimes, and time after time it is against defenseless or weaker victims. Although here, she didn't try to hide the crime, that is by far the exception, not the rule. If these people are truly insane, and don't know that what they are doing is wrong, why do they pick innocent, helpless weak victims, and then, in the vast majority of instances, go to extreme lengths to hide thier crimes and deny them before they are proven guilty in a court of law? How are they smart enough to virtually never pick a victim that can defend themselves, and why do they not just admit it with the attitude of "Yes, I did it, but there's nothing wrong with that."<br /><br />Bottom line,<br />She killed the children.

 

[tcube]

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Sounds like a bit of dirty pool by the prosecution. Yeah, lots of $$ down the drain but all is not lost - justice may yet be served.<br /><br />This from AP:<br /><br />

HOUSTON (AP) -- Andrea Yates' capital murder convictions for drowning her children were overturned Thursday by an appeals court, which ruled a prosecution expert witness gave false testimony at her trial. <br /><br />Yates' lawyers had argued at a hearing last month before a three-judge panel of the First Court of Appeals in Houston that psychiatrist Park Dietz was wrong when he mentioned an episode of the TV show "Law & Order" involving a woman found innocent by reason of insanity for drowning her children. <br /><br /> After jurors found Yates guilty, attorneys in the case and jurors learned no such episode existed. <br /><br />"We conclude that there is a reasonable likelihood that Dr. Dietz's false testimony could have affected the judgment of the jury," the court ruled. "We further conclude that Dr. Dietz's false testimony affected the substantial rights of appellant." <br /><br /> The court ruling returns the case back to the trial court for a new trial.

 

[lakelivin]

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ob: "Well,that same question could be asked from a different perspective. Do you think all people that would commit such a horrific crime are insane or are some people just mean and cold blooded?"<br /><br />I think there are psycopaths that would (and do) committ as or more horrific crimes. I don't think they are insane: I also don't believe the nature of the crime in and of itself can justify an insanity plea. <br /><br />But psycopaths are psychopaths from an early age, and have readily identifiable characteristics that medical professionals can use to identify them. (a child that tortures an animal is a good example). Based on everything I've heard, Yates doesn't fit this pattern at all, quite the contrary. She was showing signs of mental illnes before the crime and there still is no identifiable motive for her actions (unlike that Susan Smith slimebag who drowned her kids in her car cause her new boyfriend didn't like kids; she then tried to hide her deed).<br /><br />Capt Kidd: "... in the vast majority of instances, go to extreme lengths to hide thier crimes and deny them before they are proven guilty in a court of law?" <br /><br />I think you hit it on the head, the guilty trying to use insanity as a defense try to hide and then deny their actions. Yates didn't do that, just the opposite.

 

[kenimpzoom]

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Ummm.. if I remember she called 911 after doing this. She knew it was wrong, therefore, she should hang.<br /><br />And that technicallity that got her this latest appeal is the biggest load of crap EVER.<br /><br />Ken

 

[PatPatterson]

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Originally posted by LakeLivin:<br /> .....Capt Kidd: "... in the vast majority of instances, go to extreme lengths to hide thier crimes and deny them before they are proven guilty in a court of law?" <br /><br />I think you hit it on the head, the guilty trying to use insanity as a defense try to hide and then deny their actions. Yates didn't do that, just the opposite......

But she never denied the crime. There is no evidence she didn't commit the crime. She killed the kids. That is not what is in quesiton. Therefore the question is not whether she is guilty or innocent, but whether she is sane of insane. She should be evaluated and declared one or the other. If she is declared insane, remand her to an instution for the criminally insane, and be done with it. If she is declared sane, Lock Her Up. <br /><br />Guilt or innocence should be the decision that is sought in a trial. She Killed The Kids!!! That question has been answered.<br /><br />Is a new trial in order just to find out if she is insane or not?

 

[spratt]

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The prosecution is reportedly going to appeal and get a new trial. I do not believe she is going to get off, and in teh end she will get her just reward anyway. But, if I was on trial, and someone lied, and I was convicted, I would greatly appreciate someone going to bat for me, and this guy was an EXPERT witness, and yet he lied. I believe she is guilty without a doubt, and teh world knows it, and she knows it. But I believe she should have, and could have, been conviceted without anyone lying against her. <br /><br /><br />After all, she reported the crime herself, as was already posted. I guess I just detest liars. My mother always told me that a liar will steal, and a thief will lie. Seems to bear out most of the time.

 

[johnson-liner]

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I haven't followed this too closely, but since she has admitted her guilt, this is my opinion. <br /><br />If someone who lives in an asylum broke out and killed someone, they should get the murder by insanity deal. <br /><br />This so called "human" should be drowned just like her children were.<br /><br />People say "well, she had a momentary lapse of insanity so she should....". I'll finish that with GET OFF WITH A LIGHTER SENTENCE. <br /><br />You and I have a momentary lapse of insanity every time we smash our thumb with a hammer and throw it accross the garage, through a window and start screaming obscenities for the next five minutes (or more). <br /><br />Or take maybe the same situation as hers might have been. Kids are screaming, being unruly or whatever brought her to her breaking point. You or I would maybe spank the kids, give em a time out or whatever..or maybe go out to the garage and toss the hammer around the room again, and let out some more choice words. <br /><br />She instead killed the kids in her "momentary lapse of sanity". Give her the same...eye for an eye I say.

 

[LadyFish]

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She was insane. Anyone who can methodically murder 5 children has to be. There is no doubt in my mind that this woman suffers from a severe mental disorder/disease. <br /><br />However, I think her husband drove her to it. He wanted her to continue having more and more children, homeschool them during and post-pregnancy and knew what her mental capacity was. <br /><br />To me, he is as much to blame as her. He kept pushing her even though he saw warning signs that she was on the edge. Granted he couldn't know she would murder the children, but he knew she was suicidal. I get so angry about this one I could spit. <br /><br />Institutionalize her and put him behind bars. You know they won't put a crazy woman to death. Therein lies the problem.

 

[SoulWinner]

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Amen Ladyfish!!!! That is EXACTLY what I said before they brought her to trial, where is the husband, and why isn't HE in shackles?!?!?!

 

[Mr.Ladyfish]

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I gotta agree with the mrs. on this. Yates was definitely insane and had been treated for a couple of years but somehow the treatment wasn't helping. Her husband is a real piece of work from what I've read and heard. Had some real wacked out religious ideas and controlled her completely. He's the one who should be toasted.

 

[SpinnerBait_Nut]

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So your saying Susan Smith was insane also, I don't think so, they are just mean, period.<br /><br />I have nothing, nothing for anyone that would harm a child, period. <br />This I take a strong stance on.

 

[Elmer Fudge]

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Originally posted by SBN:<br /> I have nothing, nothing for anyone that would harm a child, period. <br />This I take a strong stance on.

I would reserve such judgement for those priests that were guilty of molestations and someone like Michael Jackson who it seems is a multiple offender, but in the yates case i'll have to agree with LF.

 

[SpinnerBait_Nut]

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Soryy EF, on this we will have to agree to disagree on this one.<br /><br />She called 911 right after it happened, she knew what she was doing thus throwing the insane plea out the window.