intro./new guy

[M1Tommy]

Hello to the forum from Arkansas.

I have a couple boats that occasionally frustrate me to no end (don't they all???)... a honking 12' john boat w/ an old 5 Hp Mariner noise-maker, and my dad's Hydra-Sport 175 with an Evinrude 115.

The former started on its 3rd pull after sitting 4 months with old gas in the carb. whereas the latter one will barely hit right now . I'll go over to dad's and mess w/ it some more this weekend. It has always been a bear to start the first time each year. I think it doesn't get enough fuel, as it will hit w/ starter fluid sprayed into a carb. but that's all.... and I'm not too comfortable w/ that as backfires can be exciting, I've seen on other motors. There is also a bit of what looks like straight oil coming out the front of each carb (which were angled down in front).

I'm just a guy who will likely mostly be reading to learn a bit. I have 2 young'ens, and parents who are wanting me to get the big boat "out and running". I reckon I should have done this a couple months ago but work and riding (my Kaw 800) "got in the way. Anyways, any questions, no prob. I wasn't sure if intros are wanted here but figure it don't hurt.

Tommy

 

[QC]

Re: intro./new guy

Intros are great. Welcome aboard!! Look for help on the Evinrude in the Johnnyrude forum south of here vvvvvv Poke around, lots of specialty areas, and remember to give as much info (like above) as you can whenever you're asking for help and you'll get good solid answers.

 

[cordell]

Re: intro./new guy

Hello to the forum from Arkansas.

I think it doesn't get enough fuel, as it will hit w/ starter fluid sprayed into a carb. but that's all.... and I'm not too comfortable w/ that as backfires can be exciting, I've seen on other motors.
Tommy

Never Use Starting Fluid!!! Use some fuel mixture, spray it into with a spray bottle. Starting fluid is all bad...

Welcome to iboats :]

 

[tashasdaddy]

Re: intro./new guy

Welcome to the forum, now for your 1st chew out, never use starting fluid on a 2 cycle motor!!!!!! use premixed fuel, in a spray bottle, easiest way to burn a hole in a piston. see my post at the top of the Johnson/evinrude forum, on carb cleaning. also what year and model 115? moving thread

we were typing at the same time.

 

[M1Tommy]

Re: intro./new guy

First thanks for the welcomes.

I wondered about cylinder wash-down and just used a wee bit..... wasn't comfortable w/ the idea of it. Thanks for that advice.

I'll get more info. hopefully tomorrow.

Tommy

 

[samo_ott]

Re: intro./new guy

Welcome to the forum. I know nothing about 115's but welcome anyway

 

[tashasdaddy]

Re: intro./new guy

also do a compression and spark check, and post your findings, this tells us if you have a viable base to work with.

 

[M1Tommy]

Re: intro./new guy

Welcome to the forum. I know nothing about 115's but welcome anyway

Ack!...... It's a 10 not a 115 :redface:

Thanks for the welcome.

Tommy

 

[M1Tommy]

Re: intro./new guy

also do a compression and spark check, and post your findings, this tells us if you have a viable base to work with.

I don't have a compression tester.... yet.

About the spark test..... anything other than havin ghe plug outside the engine and grounded and observing it while somewone cranks the motor?

Thanks,
Tommy

 

[samo_ott]

Re: intro./new guy

Now 10's I know a lot more about. Do a compression test. Always for a baseline. How does it run? What model# is it?

A spark tester works better as you can get it to jump a bigger gap but your way will work.

 

[M1Tommy]

Re: intro./new guy

Dad finally "released" the boat to me to get running, so I towed it all of 5 miles and it now takes up a goodly sized spot of out driveway.

Engine model number is E115ELEOC.
OK, firstly, this is a 115 not 110 as I'd thought. :redface:
From what I've seen, it's a 1995 motor.

Current status is non-running.
It cranks well.
I put new plugs in it about a month ago, but haven't really checked the spark.

After cranking, even w/ the key held in for choke, I cannot small any gas around the motor, whether the air inlet filter(?) housing is on or off.

I see that there's a fuel filter, per this link:
http://www.ishopmarine.com/ishop/jsp/AsplIsmCcatViewBase.jsp?&lvlCode=5&pCode=C0027866&path=BRP~A0000003~M0001958~M0002004~M0002005~C0027866&isFromCMS=false&hideAdd2CartButton=&isStandAlone=&is4CmsShop=&reqln=Unknown&reqem=Unknown&reqph=Unknown&reqFor=29&req4Browse=1&docId=&docName=&isForSupStore=false&cCatFilter=&eCatSupFldr=
It's part #28 and costs about $9 to $11 (2 diff. wites' prices). Is that a likely culprit?
Dad says he "took it to a mechanic to boiled the carbs out" last year. We took the boat out once last year, about October. It wouldn't hardly get over 3000 RPM, then.
Family and work don't allow me to spend a lot of time on it in the evening, but I'm really thinking to look at that fuel filter.
Is it accessible without taking the whole engine apart?
Is it cleanable with air?

The engine drips oil, about 6-8 drops a day. It doesn't look like lower unit gear oil. I noticed that, when I removed the engine cover the first time, there was oil puddled in the engine case, about 2-3 ounces. I've not investigated that any further. Is this typ. for this engine?

Lastly, what does "Bombadier" mean? To Evinrude motor folks?

Tommy

Edited to add:
I just read this on another forum, and noted that we've not really been following this pattern at all... particularly step 3...... will try it tonight.
Try this --
1-Pump the fuel bulb up tight.
2-Turn the key to the "on" position.
3-Push the key in (do not turn the key to the start position) and hold for an 8 count.
4-Turn the key to the start position.

You may have to tap the key in a few times til the motor warms up. The motor will be in "Quick Start" (fast idle) for a short time. Don't shift it while it's in this mode.

Pushing the key in releases fuel into the motor thru the primer. The trick is to relaease fuel in first and then engage the starter.

Good luck!

 

[dimock44]

Re: intro./new guy

Never Use Starting Fluid!!! Use some fuel mixture, spray it into with a spray bottle. Starting fluid is all bad...

Welcome to iboats :]

Because

Wait for it




There is no oil in it--Scores the cylinders

 

[tashasdaddy]

Re: intro./new guy

that is the correct starting procedure, it was going to be my next question, and is the fuel line connected with the arrow on the bulb, pointing toward the engine? a common mistake.

Be sure to connect it to muffs, water source before trying.

 

[iwombat]

Re: intro./new guy

Try reading this FAQ for cold-start procedures.

http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?t=225510

 

[M1Tommy]

Re: intro./new guy

Because
Wait for it

There is no oil in it--Scores the cylinders

Makes sense to me.. thanks,
Tommy

 

[M1Tommy]

Re: intro./new guy

Well, I (and a neighbor who wondered over... actually helpful) got it firing. I learned that the motor won't fire when tilted way up.... 'made good sense when it was 'splained to me. Still it acts flooded. Family beckoned about 1930 and I had to call it a day.
I'm going to pull it up on the edge of the street, as my driveway is sloped pretty good, and try it some more Sun. afternoon.

I'm encouraged.

Tommy

 

[M1Tommy]

Re: intro./new guy

that is the correct starting procedure, it was going to be my next question, and is the fuel line connected with the arrow on the bulb, pointing toward the engine? a common mistake.

Be sure to connect it to muffs, water source before trying.

YEs.
And, I got the muffs on!

Tommy

 

[M1Tommy]

Re: intro./new guy

I pulled the trailer up on a couple short 2x8's and so could lower the motor to straight up and down. I used the starting procedure noted above, and it started right up! It took a bit before all 4 cylinders caught on. I idled it and ran it (with th emuffs on water turn on full and a good water tell-tale running) up to about 22-2400 RPM, no more. It smoked like all get out for a while then cleared out.

Family has kept me close to the house (an autistic son takes a "bit"), but I plan to get the boat on the water a couple afternoons later this week. Until then I have about a gazillion things to check out.... running lights, bilge pump, live wells, Lower unit oil to change (not sure if I need to, it just seems like the "thing to do", right???), steeling and trailer fittings to grease (grease recommendations?), a trailer light "extension" to make as it's just tight when plugged into the truck when straight, etc., etc., etc.....

Tommy

 

[Benny1963]

Re: intro./new guy

mi if it has sat up you will need to clean carbs ,
if you do put it in the watre to run before you do carbs when you give it the
gas it should pull smoothly thru rpms and run somewhere aroun 5500 to 5800 rpms if you are falling short you have some jets stopped up ther is a faq at top of page on carb cleaning ,
good luck

 

[M1Tommy]

Re: intro./new guy

mi if it has sat up you will need to clean carbs ,
if you do put it in the watre to run before you do carbs when you give it the
gas it should pull smoothly thru rpms and run somewhere aroun 5500 to 5800 rpms if you are falling short you have some jets stopped up ther is a faq at top of page on carb cleaning ,
good luck

The boat was run once late last year for about 2 hours. It had sat about 6 months prior to this "go-round".
*I* am not good enough mech. to wrench on this thing.

Still, thanks for that.... I agree.... we'll see!
Tommy