Old Evenrude four fifty four

MF67

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Hi, newbie here, so I hope that Im posting in the correct area.

I recently purchased an old Larson boat, not sure on the year, probally 1950's era. Its a two tone red and white fiberglass boat with an old Evenrude that looks factory on it. It say four fifty four on it.
I would like some advice on this boat/motor, as I would like to put it in the water this spring.
It does need some tlc and I do have photos of it, etc.

Thank You!
 

Joe Reeves

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Re: Old Evenrude four fifty four

Need model number to pinpoint the year BUT they were built only for two years 1958 and 1959..... 50hp.

Best plugs = Champion J4C or J6C, gapped at .030

Points = Set on high lobe to .020. Set so a .020 gauge passes thru but a .022 will not.

Gear lube = Outboard HiVis 80/90w, available at Wal*Mart, K-Mart, delaerships, etc.

DO NOT under any circumstances remove the philips screw from the lower unit skeg UNLESS you have intentions of dismantling the lower unit. This screw is a long shoulder bolt which is a pivot point for the inner shift lever.

Clean and rebuild the carburetor.

(Carburetor Adjustments - Older V/4 Downdraft Carb)
(J. Reeves)

NOTE: The early model downdraft carburetors incorporated "Adjustable High Speed Jets". The later model downdraft carburetors used "Fixed High Speed Jets". Follow the below instructions accordingly.

NOTE: If you do not have adjustable high speed jets, ignore those paragraphs pertaining to same...... BUT do make sure that you manually inspect and clean the two brass fixed high speed jets which would be located in back of the two 7/16" slotted hex head bolts in the bottom front portion of the float chamber.

Lift the center High Speed Control lever and turn it so that the point faces forward, resting on the high ridge. This will disengage the lever control gear from the individual high speed jets (slots). Have the slow speed needle valve knobs installed upside down so that they can be turned without encountering any obstruction.

Gently seat each of the High Speed needle valves, then back each one out one (1) turn. Gently seat each of the Slow Speed needle valves, then back each one out one and one half (1-1/2) turns. NOTE... have the jam nut on the s/speed needles snug so that vibration won't have any effect on them, but loose enough so that you can turn them without a great amount of effort.

(High Speed)
With a reliable person at the wheel, and one kneeling in front of the engine, start the engine (yes, it will run lousy with the above initial needle valve settings), put it into forward gear, and apply full throttle. Start with the High Speed adjustment on the left using a screwdriver that properly fits the slot.

(High Speed Adjustments)
At full throttle, with the proper size screwdriver, slowly start turning one of the H/S needles in segments of 1/8 turn, waiting momentarily for the engine to respond, then repeat turning. You will reach a point where the engine will start to die out. At that point, back that needle valve out approximately 1/4 turn. Now, go to the other High Speed needle valve and repeat that procedure. At some point in that 1/4 turn out, you will find the smoothest high speed setting (you can now lower the throttle rpm). That will have both high speed needle valves set correctly, and at that point you can lift that center lever adjustment of that high ridge, keeping it lifted until the point is facing the engine, then lower it into its proper position. (When you turn that lever now, you're adjusting both High Speed needle valves at the same time.)

(Slow Speed Adjustments)
Now, lowering the rpms of course, take the engine out of gear and set the throttle just to where the engine will stay running. Again, in segments of 1/8 turn, slowly start turning in one of the slow speed needle valves, waiting a few seconds between each turning for the engine to respond. As you turn the s/speed needles in, the rpms will increase..... and as it does, lower the rpms to where the engine will just stay running (otherwise the rpms will climb quite high). You will reach a point whereas the engine will either start to die out or it will spit back (sounds like a mild backfire). At that point, back the needle valve out 1/4 turn. Repeat the process with the remaining slow speed needle. Again, at some point in that 1/4 turn out, you will find the smoothest setting. When finished, tighten the jam nut somewhat, then remove and reinstall the s/speed knobs correctly (right side up).
 

tx1961whaler

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Re: Old Evenrude four fifty four

Hi, newbie here, so I hope that Im posting in the correct area.

I recently purchased an old Larson boat, not sure on the year, probally 1950's era. Its a two tone red and white fiberglass boat with an old Evenrude that looks factory on it. It say four fifty four on it.
I would like some advice on this boat/motor, as I would like to put it in the water this spring.
It does need some tlc and I do have photos of it, etc.

Thank You!

Use the search function for "fat fifty". There are alot of interesting threads on here about that motor.
 

Joe Reeves

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Re: Old Evenrude four fifty four

Original poster couldn't locate this (his original) post. This is simply to move it to the top for his reference.
 

GeneH

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Re: Old Evenrude four fifty four

You may wish to consider marriage to a well connected Arab girl, preferably one whose father owns some oil wells. These were reputed to be real hard on gas.
 

MF67

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Re: Old Evenrude four fifty four

Hi!

I just found my way back to this thread.
Thanks for your help Joe!
I was looking in the wrong place, lol... :redface:
Great info and I will be in touch "tomorrow" with some photos.
Not sure where to look for numbers on the motor?
Nothing on the old Larson either..
 

Joe Reeves

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Re: Old Evenrude four fifty four

MF67..... ID plate should be riveted to the outside portion of the port (left) transom bracket. Also a ccore plug (looks like a quarter size freeze out plug) on the powerhead, usually on top near the port head gasket.

Gene..... You are correct about the fuel usage BUT if the carburetor is adjust as mentioned above, it's really not too bad.
 

W_Guy

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Re: Old Evenrude four fifty four

Joe,
Not to steal the thread, but I wish you were closer so you could take a good look at my '58 Four Fifty. As you can see, mine doesn't have the dump hose at the bottom of the intake manifold, and when it runs, there is no sign whatsoever of fuel dumping in the water. It idles fine and doesn't load up. There seems to be a fitting at the bottom of the intake but nothing is attached to it.
Do you think this is a '58 carb or a later one that doesn't have the "pooling" problem?

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MF67

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Re: Old Evenrude four fifty four

BUMP!

I guess that I will need to get a carb kit for it first, then get it up and running to see if Im going to put more $ into it.
I wonder if that magneto has points inside it?
 

Chris1956

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Re: Old Evenrude four fifty four

The distributor pulley is removeable to expose two sets of points and a single condenser.
 

W_Guy

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Re: Old Evenrude four fifty four

Joe, Would you mind answering my question about my carb on my '58 four fifty? I'm getting the feeling that people think "W Guy" means "wise guy" and I'm not getting much in the way of replies. Actually the "W" refers to my old car hobby. I'm a collector and historian of the early '58-'65 Chevy 348-409 motors, which were known as "W" motors.
Thanks:):)
 

W_Guy

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Re: Old Evenrude four fifty four

Thanks Joe. I just noticed the PM. As for the "dump hose", it's been posted here that the motor should have one running alongside the starboard side of the powerhead, but my motor doesn't have one. My motor also doesn't "dump" any fuel overboard, so I thought maybe it was modified somehow. I'm in the happy position of trying to find out why I don't have a problem rather than trying to fix a problem.:):)
 

MF67

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Re: Old Evenrude four fifty four

LOL, I must be going to the wrong place, as I can never find my thread.
I just had to do a search to find it?
Oh, well.. I will get the numbers off it tonite, so you fellas can help me figure out the year. I spose this thing is around 50hp then? I wonder how much torque it has?
Should we go through the carb first or just try and get it up and running first?
Should I upgrade the prop later or leave it alone?
We hope to start working on it in the next couple of weeks.

Thank You Kindly Everyone... :)
 

cougar1985

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Re: Old Evenrude four fifty four

check the compression first before you do anythig else.those props are slowly getting harder to find though yours looks like it just needs a cleaning and paint job on first glance.what the heck happened to the cowling?
 

F_R

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Re: Old Evenrude four fifty four

That hood is a 1958. http://www.old-omc.de/e_1958/seite_01.jpg

Maybe I'm wierd, but I'd gas it up and see if it runs before doing anything. THEN do any repairs or maintenance, one thing at a time. Working on a bunch of unknown stuff can create more problems than it cures.
 

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Re: Old Evenrude four fifty four

Thanks Joe. I just noticed the PM. As for the "dump hose", it's been posted here that the motor should have one running alongside the starboard side of the powerhead, but my motor doesn't have one. My motor also doesn't "dump" any fuel overboard, so I thought maybe it was modified somehow. I'm in the happy position of trying to find out why I don't have a problem rather than trying to fix a problem.:):)

If you don't have a drain hose, what did you do with it???
 

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W_Guy

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Re: Old Evenrude four fifty four

I'm going to start a new thread because I jumped in this one and that's not right. Look for "dump hose"
 
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