1978 90hp Merc fuel oil mixing ratio

samm835

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I just put this motor on my boat this season....my last motor had the oil injection. So I didn't need to worry about pre-mixing. If I remember correctly isn't the ratio 50:1? Or is it 40:1? Any help would be appreciated.
 

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Re: 1978 90hp Merc fuel oil mixing ratio

50:1, I add just another drop to mine to make sure it has enough.
 

samm835

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Re: 1978 90hp Merc fuel oil mixing ratio

I just thought of this last night, at the end of the season last year I filled the tank up and placed stabilizer in it. I now have changed motors.......and I the funny thing is I don't remember how many gallons of gas or in the tank. I guess I could always siphon the gas out, but dang that seems like a ton of work to make sure I get the correct ratio. Although its better to do the work than burn up a motor. Any suggestions on this???
 

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Re: 1978 90hp Merc fuel oil mixing ratio

do you have a fuel guage? If so what does it take to fill her up?- then estimate. IF you can estiamte your fuel +/- a few gallons I'd mix that tank at 40-1 to make sure and go from there.
 

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Yeh, I'm sort of in the same boat, so to speak. I topped up both my 5 gal tanks last fall and I distinctly remember adding fuel stabilizer BUT I can't recall if I added oil or not :mad:.

The gas is tinted green/blue because the tanks were already between 1/2 and 3/4 full when I topped them up so I have no idea what the mixed ratio really is.

I've been told by the good members of this forum to just add the proper amount of oil for the 5 gallons to achieve 50:1 and not to worry about too much oil. Better to run at 30:1 than 70:1.

This season I'm going to come up with some kind of indicator on the tank to remind myself if I've added oil or not.
 

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Sam, if you have to siphon the tank, what I do is take the brass fitting out of the fuel connector that plugs into the motor, hang it over the back, use the primer bulb to start the fuel and then the fuel will gravity feed till the tank is empty. Buz
 

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You all want to be careful with the mindset that too much oil is o.k. 30:1 is risking a lean out condition. The engine want's fuel to run and keep itself cool. Too much oil all will starve the engine of the fuel it needs to do that.
 

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Drain the tanks and run the unknown premix in your car in a little at a time.

When I had premix motors, gas didn't go in the tanks unless oil went with it. That way if the tank had gas I knew it was premixed correctly.
 

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yep if i fill up i put oil right then.
 

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rosser1 put it well - it's a good habit to always add the oil at the same time when gassing up , it will keep fine over winter with stabilizer and you wont accidentally take it out in the new season and locker-up - the wife sure , the motor no !
 

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Re: 1978 90hp Merc fuel oil mixing ratio

Thanks for all the replies about making sure anytime you add gas put oil in at that time. My problem was I switched motors. The first motor had an automatic oil tank on it, so I didn't need to pre-mix. The new motor I have doesn't have that option, I must pre-mix, since I filled up and the end of last year......I wasn't sure of how many gallons exactly were in the tank. Either way I got all of my 5 gallon tanks, and some neighbors tank and just emptied my boat tank, now my neighbors and I have lawn mower gas for a majority of the summer. Thanks for the help, motor ran perfect all day Saturday. So nice to have a good reliable strong motor.
 

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You all want to be careful with the mindset that too much oil is o.k. 30:1 is risking a lean out condition. The engine want's fuel to run and keep itself cool. Too much oil all will starve the engine of the fuel it needs to do that.

Are you sure about this? Why would break in be 25-1 if that would creat a lean out condition? I know you'll need a decarb after running rich and she'll smoke but i've never heard of too much oil making your engine run lean........
 

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Are you sure about this? Why would break in be 25-1 if that would creat a lean out condition? I know you'll need a decarb after running rich and she'll smoke but i've never heard of too much oil making your engine run lean........

I was not refereing to break in. The general tone of the thread was getting to be that adding a little extra oil is o.k. I was just cautioning that it's not o.k. to take that too far. The best bet is to stay with what Merc recommends and that is 50:1. As a side note - at idle with oil injection you're running at 60:1 to prevent fouling.
 

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(sorry i know this is off topic for this thred....)

I understand you weren't referring to break in. I brought that up to ask that if running heavy oil causes a lean out condition, why would you use a 25-1 for break in where you need extra lubrication? I just don't see how extra oil could create a lean out? I know some inline nuts that run 40-1 all the time and some that say with today's oil you could run 75-1 in all but WOT conditions. Extra oil is unnecessary and will cause carbon build up and fowl up your plugs, but maybe you (or anyone else) could enlighten me as to how it can lean out your engine?
 

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(sorry i know this is off topic for this thred....)

I understand you weren't referring to break in. I brought that up to ask that if running heavy oil causes a lean out condition, why would you use a 25-1 for break in where you need extra lubrication? I just don't see how extra oil could create a lean out? I know some inline nuts that run 40-1 all the time and some that say with today's oil you could run 75-1 in all but WOT conditions. Extra oil is unnecessary and will cause carbon build up and fowl up your plugs, but maybe you (or anyone else) could enlighten me as to how it can lean out your engine?

Oh... O.K.. now I get you. The mix is a ratio of fuel to oil. The fuel is what the engine needs to cause combustion. When there is a lack of fuel because of too much oil instead of a long consistent burn you get what's known as a flash burn. That type of burn will cause heat buildup and is commonly refered to as leanout. As a side note, some folks say 89 octane is good enough. I like 91 octane because if a potential lean condition does exist, the extra octane (octane slows burn rate) may just save you from a a fried motor.
 

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I was really interested in this so I posed this topic on an Inline forum, this comes from a guy who worked and raced these back in their prime.......

"Your engine spits more unburnt fuel out the exhaust ports than can ever
be used. You could run 10 to one and still have enough fuel. Would run
like crap but still not lean. When racing even with stock jets, we used
25 to 1 @7K. The extra oil gives better sealing of the engine and better
lube. Pre-ignition and detonation come from any number of other things and oil ratio is not one of them."

I'm sure there will be those of you who don't agree with this but I think it makes sense.
 
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I'll caution anyone considering using up unwanted 2 cycle fuel in their car. I work in a car dealership and have seen what happens to catalytic convertors that tried to digest 2 cycle fuel. Granted a small amount added to an almost full tank probably wouldn't hurt anything.
 

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Re: 1978 90hp Merc fuel oil mixing ratio

I was really interested in this so I posed this topic on an Inline forum, this comes from a guy who worked and raced these back in their prime.......

"Your engine spits more unburnt fuel out the exhaust ports than can ever
be used. You could run 10 to one and still have enough fuel. Would run
like crap but still not lean. When racing even with stock jets, we used
25 to 1 @7K. The extra oil gives better sealing of the engine and better
lube. Pre-ignition and detonation come from any number of other things and oil ratio is not one of them."

I'm sure there will be those of you who don't agree with this but I think it makes sense.

O.K. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. :)

This is a short version of what happens in a stock (non race modified) two stroke engine -

When a 2 cycle piston begins it's cycle, the cylinder begins to fill with atomized fuel but at the same time the exhuast port is wide open. As the piston continues to rise there is a substantial quantity of unburnt fuel passing over the top of the piston and exiting out of the exhaust. This design allows the escaping fuel to cool the piston top and helps to cleanse the residual coke from the previous ignition. 2 stroke oil is a lubricant and does not have adequate cooling or cleansing properties to support this process. Once the piston height is to the point where both the exhaust and intake ports are sealed off, compression of the remaining fuel/oil mix begins.

Depending upon timing, the cylinder fires at some point shortly before or shortly after TDC. The amount of fuel, not oil, determines that quality of the flame, the duration of the flame and the amount of pressure produced by the rapidly expanding gasses. Much of the oil is forced off the top of the piston and acts as a sealant for the rings.

In a oil rich environment, the quality of the flame is reduced as well as the other desirable features. This leaves an inordinate amount of oil on the piston top that is burnt and turned to coke. Since the incomming fuel volume is less than required to clean the residue off it remains and continues to build with each subsequent firing of the pistion. Since cooling is also reduced and the coke does not dissapate heat like aluminum does, the top of the piston becomes overly heated and detonation can occur.

If the carb jetting is inadequate fuel and oil will be inadequate at the time of ignition. This will result in reduced sealing properties, reduced cooling and reduced coke. The result is a clean or very lightly tanned piston which will be excessively hot, can pre-ignite the incomming fuel and will eventually becomed damaged.

Both conditions are not healthy for a stock engine but in a 7000-10000 RPM draq motor with very little back pressure to hold fuel and oil in the cylinder, additonal oil can help to weight the fuel and aid in retention. Of course not only are we adding oil but also larger quantities of mixture with bigger jets, modified intake ports, (adding finger ports, etc.), opening up rod slots, stuffing crankcases, etc.
 

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Re: 1978 90hp Merc fuel oil mixing ratio

I'll caution anyone considering using up unwanted 2 cycle fuel in their car. I work in a car dealership and have seen what happens to catalytic convertors that tried to digest 2 cycle fuel. Granted a small amount added to an almost full tank probably wouldn't hurt anything.
Absolutely! A gallon per full tank is max. It wreaks havoc with O2 sensors also.
 
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