What should I look for before purchasing this Johnson 9.9 HP outboard?

ondarvr

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Yeah I have a 12ft v hull. If I end up getting this motor I think I might put a new thicker transom in. From what I've seen online Horsepower Rating = length of boat x width of transom. . . . So putting a newer thicker transom in might boost the HP?

Transom thickness has nothing to do with HP rating.
 

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Transom thickness has nothing to do with HP rating.

Took another look @ the equaton. Looks like its length of boat x width of transom. That number determines what HP rating is on this chart....


A. 0-35 = 3 hp
B. 36-39 = 5 hp
C. 40-42 = 7.5 hp
D. 43-45 = 10 hp
E. 46-52 = 15 hp

Also got a video of the motor running. Sounds good, tried to upload but cant
 

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What is the problem with the older motor everyone?

Back to the original question, check compression, if its over 100 on both pots then grab it and learn to work on it.
 

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And Poida what is the problem with the cdi ignition ( 77 and newer ) on these smaller OMC motors ??????
 

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Not much, i've had a power pack die and some dogy earths on the coils on those one's. If its got 100psi on both pots then i would grab the CDI one also. There seems to be a few negative comments about the older outboards, i was just wondering what the problems were as i have gone back to a pre 77 15hp as a kicker motor and so far i am very happy with it.
 

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There were issues with the first years of this 9.9 / 15 hp.-------------Know of a dealer that could not get factory help on them.------Assigned his mechanics to take a " trouble motor " apart to see what improvements changes could be made.
 

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What was wrong with them, you ask? You see, I was a full time outboard mechanic in an Evinrude dealership in those days. What I have experienced is what I know about the early 9.9/15hp motors. When they were introduced in 1974, sailboaters took an instant liking to them. The electric start and alternator were features they admired. Also, there was a kit to allow high thrust in reverse gear, making handling a large sailboat much easier, and top-mount controls for the choke and manual recoil starter.

There was one minor problem: The d*** things wouldn't run. They fouled plugs like crazy. For some unknown reason, the problem was especially bad on sailboats, however it also existed on "regular" boats. The factory came out with several kits to fix them. None really worked. I'd call the motor in and install the kit and send it back out...."fixed". And it would be back on Monday morning with fouled plugs. I'm sure some of those carburetors you are seeing on the -bay are the ones we changed out with factory replacements, which didn't fix the problem. Long story made short, it didn't take long for the lemon reputation to spread among the sailboat marketplace. It became so bad you couldn't give one to a sailboater. But it was good for Sea Gull sales.

The result in all this is I still have a bad taste in my mouth for the '74-'76 models. I don't know if the sailboaters ever got over it in later years, or not. I left the service shop in 1978.
 

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Usually I don't see much issues with possible purchases with folks most of the time. But $450 dollars for a suspect engine that somebody actually tried to "hop up"? And for a little 9.9 HP or 15 HP (who really knows) worked on engine. That sounds more like a larger engine price in my opinion. All I can say is, let the buyer beware! It could be the greatest engine ever, but it could quit an hour later too. If we all knew that time frame it would be great. But nobody knows that time frame. So at best it is what it is... Would I buy it? Not for that price, but that IS just my opinion!
 

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Usually I don't see much issues with possible purchases with folks most of the time. But $450 dollars for a suspect engine that somebody actually tried to "hop up"? And for a little 9.9 HP or 15 HP (who really knows) worked on engine. That sounds more like a larger engine price in my opinion. All I can say is, let the buyer beware! It could be the greatest engine ever, but it could quit an hour later too. If we all knew that time frame it would be great. But nobody knows that time frame. So at best it is what it is... Would I buy it? Not for that price, but that IS just my opinion!


I think the price is a regional thing. A lot of the motors around here for 9.9 are $600 +, even the older vintage evinrudes like this. The guy is giving me a gas tank and hose with it. Has been willing to do a demo, sent me a video, the whole 9 yards. I'm only 2 hours outside NYC, everything is more expensive then it should be around here. . .
 

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I have 10 ft sib. As far as the difference between a 8hp and a 9.9hp is minimal on your top end speed. I have tried them both. 9.9 is heavier and i get a whopping 3mph faster. The big difference is the 6hp vs 8 hp. That extra cylinder makes a world of difference. Due to the wear and tear of a heavier 9 .9 hp on the transom, i went for a mint johnson 8hp. Love the engine. All aforementioned is referencing the 2 stroke.
 

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The 6 hp and 8 hp are both the same in displacement and a 2 cylinder motor.-------------The 8 has more power due to extra reed petals and slightly different intake configuration for more airflow.
 

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I think you guys are right. Unless he can do a full demo and I see that the engine runs fine for a few minutes with good water flow through the lower unit I'm probably going to run. I'm definitely going to check it out at least though. The guy only wants $150 for it. . . . obviously this is fishy, but its winter and the guy has a few outboards he's looking to sell quick.

I've learned a lot from taking advantage of "fishy deals" though. I picked up a 1.75 hp air cooled game fisher from a friend for free that had issues with the fuel line. I cleaned out the carb and checked the fuel line. Turns out it as an issue with the "fuel petcock bowl". The threads where stripped, so it was allowing air to get into the fuel line. Had a neighbor take a look at it, and he threw some sort of industrial glue on it. Purrs like a kitten now.

I ended up buying a 5 hp 53 seaking for $125 last summer after that. Most people told me to run from that too. All I had to do was hit it with starter fluid at the beginning of the day and I was good. Can't beat that. Just had to do was throw down $125 and I had something to use for the whole summer. I'm looking to upgrade to something bigger this year. For $150 I'd be willing to deal with issues. Even if I get one season out of it I'd be happy. Obviously trouble shooting with any sort of issues the engine will probably have will give me the experience I'm looking for too. I'm hesitant to buy a new 9.9 hp motor that'll cost me around $1500+ around here without actually knowing too much. Better to start with a cheap piece of crap and go from there right?

Still there's a point where it's foolish to invest in something that doesn't work at all. So I think you guys are right, I should def see that it at least turns over and the lower end isn't seized. I think I'm gonna insist on a demo before I buy.

Edit: So I took a look around, and apparently staring an outboard with starting fluid continuously is pretty bad for the motor because of the lack of lubrication. Good to know for my seaking! Still don't regret spending $125 for a motor that I got a full season out of. Definitely need to move onto something else at this point.

Do you guys have any suggestions for where to look other then craigslist for a quality 9.9 hp under $1000?

You seem t place great reliance on "starter fluid" You should be aware that 2 stroke engines run on a gas/oil mixture usually 50/1 on the post 1961 models,which provides lubrication.When you use starter fluid there is no lubrication,furthermore the solvent washes down your cylinders and debases what oil there is in your bearings".But it's only for a few seconds" I hear yiu cry.Brlieve me, in those few seconds a lot of damage can be done. MESSAGE: Save the starter fluid for cleaning the garage floor and keep it away from you motor.If your motor needs a little encouragement,first get it tuned right then use a little fuel mixture in a spray bottle into the carb throat.. Good kuck.
 

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What is the problem with the older motor everyone?

Back to the original question, check compression, if its over 100 on both pots then grab it and learn to work on it.

I have several older omc motors. And I also have two 40 hp motors. One from 1975 and one from 1976, they have the same low tension magneto ignition.And as stated many times here that was not a good time for twin cylinder motors ranging from 9.9 to 40 hp. My 1976 evinrude runs well but it needs constant adjustments with the points. I run njk plugs one range hotter so it does not fowl the plugs. I think what others are saying is there is nothing wrong with the older motors, but during those years there was major problems.
 

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You seem t place great reliance on "starter fluid" You should be aware that 2 stroke engines run on a gas/oil mixture usually 50/1 on the post 1961 models,which provides lubrication.When you use starter fluid there is no lubrication,furthermore the solvent washes down your cylinders and debases what oil there is in your bearings".But it's only for a few seconds" I hear yiu cry.Brlieve me, in those few seconds a lot of damage can be done. MESSAGE: Save the starter fluid for cleaning the garage floor and keep it away from you motor.If your motor needs a little encouragement,first get it tuned right then use a little fuel mixture in a spray bottle into the carb throat.. Good kuck.


Thanks for the heads up! I mentioned that I had found a topic on these forums that said as much earlier in the thread. It's good to know though! I'm really thankful for all the advice I've been given on here being that I'm new to boating and small outboards. That 5hp seaking I have is pretty unreliable and I realized that if I want to be safe I'd need to upgrade to something better.

I'm probably going to try and flip the 5hp seaking and the 1.75 hp gamefiher I have on Craigslist after I buy a new outboard.
 

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In any case, I would buy a 3 gallon fuel tank with a hose and connector for whatever you're buying. ( you're gonna need it anyway) Put a gallon of fuel in it, mix in the oil, and go over and run whatever you decide on, shifting gears as well, these sellers realize people are going to do it, as well as check the compression. If you're thrilled buy it, if not get something else that runs better, or make a lowball offer if you want to work on it......
 

ondarvr

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While relying on starter fluid isn't a great idea, you can buy it with oil added so it can be used in 2 strokes.
 

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In any case, I would buy a 3 gallon fuel tank with a hose and connector for whatever you're buying. ( you're gonna need it anyway) Put a gallon of fuel in it, mix in the oil, and go over and run whatever you decide on, shifting gears as well, these sellers realize people are going to do it, as well as check the compression. If you're thrilled buy it, if not get something else that runs better, or make a lowball offer if you want to work on it......

The guy is selling it with a fuel tank, hose and connector.

I really like what Im seeing on youtube about these motors. There's so much on youtube about troubleshooting issues with them so I think itll be a great motor for me to start with.

Only thing I don't like about the situation is that the guy Im buying it from is flipping a bunch of boating stuff fot an older 85 yo guy who's obviously at a point in his life where he needs to start selling his goods. . .while the guy Im dealing with did the work on the motor to get it up to speed, he has to communicate with the owner about what Im offering, then get back to me. . . That might mean driving 2 hrs out there, not liking what I see and giving a lower offer, then having to come back after the po makes a decision. . .
 
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