Merc BlackMax smoke = bad motor?

ashedd

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I just had a guy come look at a boat I have for sale. It has a '91 or '93(can't recall) 175hp blackmax on it. The marine place I bought the boat from said the compression checked good and they rebuilt the carbs. The previous owner brought it in with running problems but it was determined to be contaminated center fuel tank, I use an external tank. That's why they rebuilt the carbs.

Any way, the guy says my motor is shot and offered $1000 less than I'm asking. This blackmax smokes like a freight train(more like a steam locomotive) when you start it up(which I've read is normal for a blackmax). It continues to smoke like that for several mins(like 6-8) until warm and doesn't do it that bad at all after you've been using the boat and you come back to idle. I'll admit it's been running a tad rough at idle, but I also think the idle speed is turned down too low. It HAS died on me a handful of times after I start it and back away from the dock after warm up. It's also done the same when coming back to the dock. Seems to do it when you shift in and out of gear. No big deal as the motor starts right back up, it even fires right up when cold, I mean right up.

Only other issues I can think of is a low oil alarm twice. All I did to fix it was move the oil reservoir float my hand and it fixed it, it's always been full of oil. The last time I moved the float the oil started to overflow, I know I read something about the pressure bleed off valve perhaps being bad somewhere. Maybe that's why it smokes so much?

Nothing else I can think of other than that. I've always thought it ran well. Does 40 knots at WOT @ 5500 rpm on a 20' boat. I usually cruise at 3K rpm giving me about 23-25 knots. Doesn't miss a beat on the water. You need to turn the idle up a bit to restart when you shut it off for a gas fill. But I do think it may run a little too rough at the no wake speed of 7 knots at about 1500 rpm.

Guy said he used to work on OB motors and the mercury black max wasn't a good motor and most have been replaced, I've read the opposite. It also sounds a little weird at idle because of some exhaust outlet or something the bobs up and down in the water, makes a weird little sucking sound.

On another note, he said my boat was too tippy(when on the gunwales) and that it listed at the dock. It has about an inch of water in the bilge from being moored in the rain. Not sure what anyone could have done to the hull to make it tippy. It's got quite a V to it and the beam isn't all that great, tons of free board though. Whats this guy is on? I'm tempted to sell it to the first person to make an offer as I need the dock space for my "good" boat.

So does the motor sound like "junk"

Any insight would be great.. thanks
 

Dukedog

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"Guy said he used to work on OB motors and the mercury black max wasn't a good motor and most have been replaced"

this tells ya he's full of it...... tryin' ta beat ya down... just needs a little tlc... probably straighten out a bunch of it but whoever does it has got ta know what they are doin'!!!
 

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A bit of TLC by one of us 'Masters' and that puppy will be standing up singing!

As long as compression is good, the ignition makes a sweet hot arc, we can dial in those carbs (after a perfect cleaning).

Don't cave in, there are any number of guys waiting to find that motor.
Where did you say you are?
 

Scott Danforth

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yeah, its junk. you should give it to me :rolleyes:

seriously, its a 2-stroke. they smoke a bit. however with a bit of TLC, it can be running like a champ (assuming you have good compression)
 

ashedd

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A bit of TLC by one of us 'Masters' and that puppy will be standing up singing!

As long as compression is good, the ignition makes a sweet hot arc, we can dial in those carbs (after a perfect cleaning).

Don't cave in, there are any number of guys waiting to find that motor.
Where did you say you are?

seattle
 

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ashedd - You never bought or attempted to buy a used boat or car? That's a common tactic to pay less.
 

ashedd

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ashedd - You never bought or attempted to buy a used boat or car? That's a common tactic to pay less.

well yeah, but he's the only guy to come look at it in the almost three weeks it's been on CL. I need it gone. His offer was 1500 for the boat and "junk" motor
 

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If you have his number, counter offer. See what he says. You need the boat gone or you need the asking price. Gotta be some give somewhere.
 

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So does the motor sound like "junk"

Yeah, pretty much. Probably valve guides are gone............Bout 250 miles to get to you and I can take it off your hands, you know, do you a favor ;)
 

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Yeah, pretty much. Probably valve guides are gone............Bout 250 miles to get to you and I can take it off your hands, you know, do you a favor ;)

I wanna buy a 2 stroke motor from you, Sam. Valve guides are impossible to repair in a 2 stroke. :rolleyes: LOL
 

ashedd

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If you have his number, counter offer. See what he says. You need the boat gone or you need the asking price. Gotta be some give somewhere.

That was his top offer, no more than that. I reposted and dropped the price a couple hundred, already had five people email me tonight. I'll work on my wood boat tomorrow and hopefully show this boat whenever people want to see it. Might also take another short cruise on the boat with the junk motor. I just did that for an hour and a half on monday, zero problems.
 

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one thing ya might try without doin' anything to tha motor that might help a little.... if ya not already, anytime (jus warmin' up and/or jus puttin' around) its at idle make sure its trimmed at least level or a touch positive.... just don't forget ta trim it in when ya hammer it.... this gives tha recirc system a better chance of "stayin' ahead" of tha pudlin' fuel in front of tha reeds...... tucked all tha way in at idle tends ta "load 'em up" worse with a motor thats not exactly right....
 

ashedd

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one thing ya might try without doin' anything to tha motor that might help a little.... if ya not already, anytime (jus warmin' up and/or jus puttin' around) its at idle make sure its trimmed at least level or a touch positive.... just don't forget ta trim it in when ya hammer it.... this gives tha recirc system a better chance of "stayin' ahead" of tha pudlin' fuel in front of tha reeds...... tucked all tha way in at idle tends ta "load 'em up" worse with a motor thats not exactly right....

I'll give it a try. I'm also gonna pull the hood and look to see if anything obvious is unhooked or leaking. Got someone looking at it today
 

ashedd

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I turned the idle up just a tad. It was doing about 7oo rpm in neutral and barely 500 in gear, I got it to go 750-800 in gear. Helped with the rough idle anyway. Everything looked good under the cowl. Went out on the lake for over an hour with a buyer, then he low balled me. Getting sick of this crap for sure.
 

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Unfortunately I meved out of Seattle 20 years ago to here in the mid-West or I would be looking to pick up that motor.
 

ashedd

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Unfortunately I meved out of Seattle 20 years ago to here in the mid-West or I would be looking to pick up that motor.

I'm from Indiana, would love to get a boat in the great lakes some day.
 
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